Wootz afghan knife for komments

Sajen · 5th August 2018, 08:44 AM

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mariusgmioc · 5th August 2018, 10:33 AM

As you can see from Detlef's message, the first one is a Pesh-kabz. It is a rather unusual variety but it certainly displays all the features of the Pesh-kabz. The blade is almost certainly Indian.

The second one I would call a "Karud." The name "Karud" refers to a straight-bladed Pesh-kabz and it might be simply a misnomer derived from the Persian "Kard."

rumpel9 · 5th August 2018, 09:44 PM

Detlef, mariusgmioc thank you for reply. So that is nevertheless pesh-kabz. And what about the handle? For what people or region is it typical? I suppose the origin of such a handle is somewhere in Afghanistan.

Sajen · 5th August 2018, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by rumpel9

And what about the handle? For what people or region is it typical? I suppose the origin of such a handle is somewhere in Afghanistan.

Yes, I would agree by this statement!

ariel · 6th August 2018, 01:30 AM

As far as I remember, these strongly recurved examples and reinforced tips with sharp edges on both sides were called Zirah Bouk: mail piercers. You can Google the images. Pesh Kabz are as a rule ( or exclusively) single edged.
I am not exactly enthusiastic about the handles, especially on the second one: they look like crude replacements ( from the active life of the dagger, most likely).

rumpel9 · 6th August 2018, 08:44 PM

However, for Zirah Bouk such blades are not quite typical. I mean the T-shaped spine of the blade. As for the hilt, on the karud (the second knife) the hilt in my opinion was really replaced in a later period. But the first knife most likely was made from the very beginning with such a handle.

ariel · 6th August 2018, 10:08 PM

T-spine?
Here are Zirah Bouks with it.

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ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	T-spine? Here are Zirah Bouks with it. Attached Images

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mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,906	As you can see from Detlef's message, the first one is a Pesh-kabz. It is a rather unusual variety but it certainly displays all the features of the Pesh-kabz. The blade is almost certainly Indian. The second one I would call a "Karud." The name "Karud" refers to a straight-bladed Pesh-kabz and it might be simply a misnomer derived from the Persian "Kard."

5th August 2018, 09:44 PM	#3
rumpel9 Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 68	Detlef, mariusgmioc thank you for reply. So that is nevertheless pesh-kabz. And what about the handle? For what people or region is it typical? I suppose the origin of such a handle is somewhere in Afghanistan.

6th August 2018, 01:30 AM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	As far as I remember, these strongly recurved examples and reinforced tips with sharp edges on both sides were called Zirah Bouk: mail piercers. You can Google the images. Pesh Kabz are as a rule ( or exclusively) single edged. I am not exactly enthusiastic about the handles, especially on the second one: they look like crude replacements ( from the active life of the dagger, most likely).

6th August 2018, 08:44 PM	#6
rumpel9 Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 68	However, for Zirah Bouk such blades are not quite typical. I mean the T-shaped spine of the blade. As for the hilt, on the karud (the second knife) the hilt in my opinion was really replaced in a later period. But the first knife most likely was made from the very beginning with such a handle.