Sabre with unknown origins

AJ1356 · 11th July 2018, 05:08 AM

On the tulwar the dots I feel are Indian motive. This was either a trade item or most likely a captured item that someone decided to customize. To whomever had it he would have known it or called it a shamshir (sword), and the other one would have been known as a saylaawa , Khyber knife is not what they are called, some areas may call it shuray , but mostly known as saylaawa. The writing are poems just need better pics of areas indicated with arrows.

kronckew · 11th July 2018, 01:45 PM

Better pics of the Khyber knife. He's cleaned the muck off them all a bit...

(I did tell him they are more locally called salawar, or salawar yataghans, but most western people still call them Khyber knives, as we discussed here before...)

kronckew · 11th July 2018, 01:49 PM

More from the talwar: in batches

kronckew · 11th July 2018, 01:51 PM

more:

kronckew · 11th July 2018, 01:52 PM

..and finally (Allah be praised!

)

AJ1356 · 12th July 2018, 02:44 PM

دران وقتیکه دختر داد با علی سر افرازش when he gave (in marriage) his daughter to Ali honored him.
شنیدستم که فخر آل آدم محمد پاشا هر دو عالم I have heard (that is the best I could make out of it) that pride of children of Adam, Muhammad king of both worlds.

AJ1356 · 12th July 2018, 03:27 PM

سر افگنده و بر کشیده کلاه در آمد یپایین )از( تخت شاه
بهرچه خوش آید بدند آن او نتابند گردن ز فرمان او
اشارت کند تا رقیبان تخت بسازند با شاه فیروز بخت
With head lowered (ashamed) and hat (crown) removed
The king came down from his throne
Whatever he (this is someone else) liked they gave to him
They would not stray from his orders
Gestures so the competitors for the throne
Cooperate with the glorious king.

These six verse are from a bigger poem I am not sure what, or who is the poet.

the other side sounds fragmented there are 5 verses which does not sound right and the only ones that rhyme are verse 3 and 4. I could not make out the ones indicated before, even with the better pictures.

11th July 2018, 05:08 AM	#1
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 317	On the tulwar the dots I feel are Indian motive. This was either a trade item or most likely a captured item that someone decided to customize. To whomever had it he would have known it or called it a shamshir (sword), and the other one would have been known as a saylaawa , Khyber knife is not what they are called, some areas may call it shuray , but mostly known as saylaawa. The writing are poems just need better pics of areas indicated with arrows. Attached Images

11th July 2018, 01:45 PM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	Better pics of the Khyber knife. He's cleaned the muck off them all a bit... (I did tell him they are more locally called salawar, or salawar yataghans, but most western people still call them Khyber knives, as we discussed here before...) Attached Images Last edited by kronckew; 11th July 2018 at 02:08 PM.

11th July 2018, 01:49 PM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	More from the talwar: in batches Attached Images

11th July 2018, 01:51 PM	#4
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	more: Attached Images

11th July 2018, 01:52 PM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	..and finally (Allah be praised! ) Attached Images

12th July 2018, 02:44 PM	#6
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 317	دران وقتیکه دختر داد با علی سر افرازش when he gave (in marriage) his daughter to Ali honored him. شنیدستم که فخر آل آدم محمد پاشا هر دو عالم I have heard (that is the best I could make out of it) that pride of children of Adam, Muhammad king of both worlds. Attached Images

12th July 2018, 03:27 PM	#7
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 317	سر افگنده و بر کشیده کلاه در آمد یپایین )از( تخت شاه بهرچه خوش آید بدند آن او نتابند گردن ز فرمان او اشارت کند تا رقیبان تخت بسازند با شاه فیروز بخت With head lowered (ashamed) and hat (crown) removed The king came down from his throne Whatever he (this is someone else) liked they gave to him They would not stray from his orders Gestures so the competitors for the throne Cooperate with the glorious king. These six verse are from a bigger poem I am not sure what, or who is the poet. the other side sounds fragmented there are 5 verses which does not sound right and the only ones that rhyme are verse 3 and 4. I could not make out the ones indicated before, even with the better pictures. Attached Images