Puukko Question

mariusgmioc · 4th July 2018, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pukka Bundook

But the carving here does have feet,...is kneeling.

Yes, indeed. Now I see the feet.

So if it is not Jormungandr... my best guess would be my mother-in-law. I seem to recognise some features.

PS: What if it is not inspired by a specific figure from Norse mythology, and is simply an artistic interpretation of a monster... any monster?!

A. G. Maisey · 4th July 2018, 08:40 PM

I was thinking the same thing Marius, just an artistic, generic monster.

Does Jormungandr have two tongues, or a forked tongue? This little bloke has one forked tongue coming from each side of his mouth --- if indeed they are tongues, and not something else.

mariusgmioc · 5th July 2018, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Does Jormungandr have two tongues, or a forked tongue?

The solution is quite simple: have to find someone who met Jormungandr in person and ask him.

Meanwhile the discussion is opened to speculation. Not very much unlike the discussions we had about some Keris hilts (whether is Battara Bayu, or Bhima, or God knows who?!).

A. G. Maisey · 5th July 2018, 09:48 PM

Yes Marius, that similarity was in my mind as I opened the thread.

M ELEY · 9th July 2018, 12:44 AM

Hmm...Very interesting and I'm enjoying all the commentary. At first, I was also thinking it was protruding tongues. The beast on the scabbard also has a forked tongue, but it appears quite different that that creature portrayed on the hilt (more dog-like in facial features, serpentine back end with no legs, etc). besides flames or tongues, perhaps smoke? Steam? Rushing water? Just trying to figure out the Mythos on this one.

The front claws appear to be grasping something which appear to my weary eyes to have flowers growing from them? Any significance there? Also, does this fellow have a double row of upper teeth? David mentioned the Dutch connection as far as the carving. Lots of their work having Indonesian/Snri Lankan influence. Ceylonese maneless lion? Just thinking aloud...

Mark

kronckew · 9th July 2018, 12:57 AM

no, looks to me like upper and lower teeth with the tongues of stuff in between, smoke. fire or tongue tongues, lower jaw has upward pointing tusks, and 'he' has a moustache & bushy eyebrows. he's got ribbons of something tied in bows on both arms, not flowers. I say 'he' advisedly, as he's got two big (man?) boobs held in his hands. Th e'scales' look like a lorica squamata or scale hauberk. The bows may be securing the sides of the hauberk front and back sections. I just noticed he has rearwards pointing feet like he's kneeling.

A. G. Maisey · 9th July 2018, 01:55 AM

Kronckew, thanks for your input to this question, I appreciate it, however, I do understand that sometimes it is difficult to interpret a physical object from an image, so just a couple of comments on your analysis in post # 23:-

1) I am uncertain that this figure has a moustache, the element of carving that could be interpreted as a moustache in the photos seems to be a depiction of lips

2) the bracelets at both wrists do seem to have flowers, or at least some sort of foliate elements, attached

3) I am uncertain as to the interpretation of what this figure has clutched in its hands, the first impression is of breasts, but closer examination reveals that if the anatomy of this figure is in any way close to the anatomy of a human being, then an interpretation of breasts is quite impossible. Currently I hesitate to give this element of the carving any interpretation at all.

4) yes, the figure is in a kneeling position.

9th July 2018, 12:57 AM	#6
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	no, looks to me like upper and lower teeth with the tongues of stuff in between, smoke. fire or tongue tongues, lower jaw has upward pointing tusks, and 'he' has a moustache & bushy eyebrows. he's got ribbons of something tied in bows on both arms, not flowers. I say 'he' advisedly, as he's got two big (man?) boobs held in his hands. Th e'scales' look like a lorica squamata or scale hauberk. The bows may be securing the sides of the hauberk front and back sections. I just noticed he has rearwards pointing feet like he's kneeling. Last edited by kronckew; 9th July 2018 at 01:08 AM.

4th July 2018, 08:40 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	I was thinking the same thing Marius, just an artistic, generic monster. Does Jormungandr have two tongues, or a forked tongue? This little bloke has one forked tongue coming from each side of his mouth --- if indeed they are tongues, and not something else.

5th July 2018, 09:48 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Yes Marius, that similarity was in my mind as I opened the thread.

9th July 2018, 12:44 AM	#5
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,141	Hmm...Very interesting and I'm enjoying all the commentary. At first, I was also thinking it was protruding tongues. The beast on the scabbard also has a forked tongue, but it appears quite different that that creature portrayed on the hilt (more dog-like in facial features, serpentine back end with no legs, etc). besides flames or tongues, perhaps smoke? Steam? Rushing water? Just trying to figure out the Mythos on this one. The front claws appear to be grasping something which appear to my weary eyes to have flowers growing from them? Any significance there? Also, does this fellow have a double row of upper teeth? David mentioned the Dutch connection as far as the carving. Lots of their work having Indonesian/Snri Lankan influence. Ceylonese maneless lion? Just thinking aloud... Mark

9th July 2018, 01:55 AM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Kronckew, thanks for your input to this question, I appreciate it, however, I do understand that sometimes it is difficult to interpret a physical object from an image, so just a couple of comments on your analysis in post # 23:- 1) I am uncertain that this figure has a moustache, the element of carving that could be interpreted as a moustache in the photos seems to be a depiction of lips 2) the bracelets at both wrists do seem to have flowers, or at least some sort of foliate elements, attached 3) I am uncertain as to the interpretation of what this figure has clutched in its hands, the first impression is of breasts, but closer examination reveals that if the anatomy of this figure is in any way close to the anatomy of a human being, then an interpretation of breasts is quite impossible. Currently I hesitate to give this element of the carving any interpretation at all. 4) yes, the figure is in a kneeling position.