Which of these are truly old keris?

[David]

As Rick suggested in another thread, we need better photgraphs.
Also, i would not use the word "fake" to describe newer keris unless they are being presented to you as antiques. Even then the intention of the maker probably was not to create a "fake".

[ridho pulungan]

Originally Posted by David

As Rick suggested in another thread, we need better photgraphs.
Also, i would not use the word "fake" to describe newer keris unless they are being presented to you as antiques. Even then the intention of the maker probably was not to create a "fake".

Owh ya..sorry for the picture David. I'll soon post more clear picture. Amd forgive me to use a word 'fake'. Is that any suggestion how to edit the titlle and my post?.if its a way to edit,i'll change it. Thank you so much for your attention.
Regards.

[Bjorn]

Instead of fake, may I suggest that you make your question more concrete, e.g. which of these keris are kemardikan? Or which of these keris are older than the 19th century?

[David]

Originally Posted by ridho pulungan

Owh ya..sorry for the picture David. I'll soon post more clear picture. Amd forgive me to use a word 'fake'. Is that any suggestion how to edit the titlle and my post?.if its a way to edit,i'll change it. Thank you so much for your attention.
Regards.

I changed the title for you Ridho.

[ridho pulungan]

Originally Posted by David

I changed the title for you Ridho.

Thank you so much for your help David.
I make a litlle change to the picture. I know its not perfect enough,but i hope the new pict can give Rick more clear about the keris. I really want to take another picture with new angle and lighting soon.
Thank you for your kind.

[A. G. Maisey]

Ridho, I'm not brave enough to jump in and declare that something in a picture on a screen is not old. By "old", I'm thinking in terms of pre-WWII.

But I will say this:- I have not seen, nor handled any keris that I knew to pre-date WWII that looked anything like any of these keris.

I began really looking at keris about 65 years ago, during that period I have handled literally thousands of keris, including many with genuine provenance that went back in some cases to pre-1700. No keris that I knew to pre-date WWII looked anything at all like any of these keris.

[ridho pulungan]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Ridho, I'm not brave enough to jump in and declare that something in a picture on a screen is not old. By "old", I'm thinking in terms of pre-WWII.
But I will say this:- I have not seen, nor handled any keris that I knew to pre-date WWII that looked anything like any of these keris.
I began really looking at keris about 65 years ago, during that period I have handled literally thousands of keris, including many with genuine provenance that went back in some cases to pre-1700. No keris that I knew to pre-date WWII looked anything at all like any of these keris.

Thank you so much Alan.
But can i ask you more further Alan?
Are the ricikan or shape or maybe the ornament or curve of blade from these keris follow on tangguh/period that you know? i can sure you that in magnifician lens,the layer of all these keris are made from many layer of forged.
Base on your experties. Can you judged the date of some keris with the form of forging layer on its blade? Are that layer give any clue that the keris are come from certain tangguh?
I'm really curios about how to determine the tangguh not only from the shape of ricikan,but maybe from the path of forging layer of its blade.
Many thank Alan.
Best regards.

[Rick]

I think using a neutral gray and not a black background will make things clearer; also photos taken in outside light will much improve things.