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Old 3rd April 2006, 07:48 AM   #1
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No. IMO the sword is antique. Ottoman empire. The scabbard is newer and Indian.
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Old 3rd April 2006, 08:09 AM   #2
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Ok, but, that gilding looks new to me also... Has it been regilded?
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Old 3rd April 2006, 08:47 AM   #3
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Looks like a very handsome old sword. I particularly like the blade -- plain but efficient. The silver wash on hilt and scabbard metals shows some wear consistent with the age of the sword.

Did you notice the winning bidder? Artzi generally knows what he is doing.

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Old 3rd April 2006, 09:18 AM   #4
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I'm not the expert but seeing and handling some of these swords I'm going to second Yannis and Ian opinions. Looks very fine. And I'm not telling this because of oriental-arms
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Old 3rd April 2006, 12:58 PM   #5
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I second Yannis on his thoughts, old, authentic, but a new indian scabbard
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Old 3rd April 2006, 03:30 PM   #6
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I completely agree, this appears to be an early Ottoman example that has been remounted, and clearly a 'sleeper'! As Ian notes, Artzi knows EXACTLY what he is doing, and he's one of the best!!! It is not at all unusual for such blades, often heirloom even if not marked, to be remounted. Indian purveyors often remounted older blades along with the many swords they supplied to Arabian buyers in the ongoing trade there, or this may have been as noted, remounted by an owner of a heirloom blade.

What I find distinctly interesting is the 'star of Solomon' on the chowk on one side. I recall years ago when a worn Bedouin sabre on ebay was claimed to be an ancient Jewish sword because of the six point star on the blade! As is now well known, the symbol does occur on Islamic swords, although not particularly often.

I am inclined to think that the hilt components and possibly the scabbard furniture may be original and refurbished as well. Although 'restored' in degree, the sword has integrity! I like that

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Old 3rd April 2006, 04:33 PM   #7
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Well I really don't like thatone. I guess that it just isn't of my taste. I haven't noticed thou that it was bought by Mr. Artzi. He one of the best and surely he knows what he is doing. You are completely right.

6617444195 - I really like thatone, but again, Mr. Arzi shows no mercy
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Old 4th April 2006, 12:03 PM   #8
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I completely agree, this appears to be an early Ottoman example that has been remounted, and clearly a 'sleeper'! As Ian notes, Artzi knows EXACTLY what he is doing, and he's one of the best!!! It is not at all unusual for such blades, often heirloom even if not marked, to be remounted. Indian purveyors often remounted older blades along with the many swords they supplied to Arabian buyers in the ongoing trade there, or this may have been as noted, remounted by an owner of a heirloom blade.

What I find distinctly interesting is the 'star of Solomon' on the chowk on one side. I recall years ago when a worn Bedouin sabre on ebay was claimed to be an ancient Jewish sword because of the six point star on the blade! As is now well known, the symbol does occur on Islamic swords, although not particularly often.

I am inclined to think that the hilt components and possibly the scabbard furniture may be original and refurbished as well. Although 'restored' in degree, the sword has integrity! I like that

All the best,
Jim

One question Jim, you say that there was a market for such blades in Arabia? Ive never seen a single saif with a short blade like this, with a deep yelmen(that doesnt mean that they're are not there ), im just asking if you have pics of any.

Most have either Persian curvy blades, or local blades with slight curves, or fully straight.
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