Dwi Warna or Empat (4) Warna?

Paul de Souza · 23rd May 2018, 10:52 AM

Wished it did but it did not.... :-(

A. G. Maisey · 23rd May 2018, 11:17 AM

In accordance with what I was taught, I would call this pamor Dwi Warno, ie, two pamors, even though these two pamors are arranged in an unusual way.

I would call a keris with a different pamor on each blade face Pamor Tangkis.

I would also call a keris that had pamor on one blade face, but no pamor on the other blade face, Pamor Tangkis.

However, some people call a keris with a different pamor on each blade face Pamor Slewah, for these people, a keris that has pamor on one blade face, but has no pamor on the other blade face, is considered to be Pamor Tangkis.

Like a lot of things with keris, it depends where you went to school, and who your teacher was.

As to blade origin, I hesitate to form an opinion. The pamor work certainly looks like Madura/East Jawa, but not the garap.

Madura pande moved around a lot, I have a keris that was the state execution keris of Brunei from 1842, and the opinion of many keris literate people who have handled it is that it is the work of a Madura pande.

Gustav · 23rd May 2018, 12:03 PM

Alan, does the overall shape of Gonjo and Gandhik look like Madura to you?

A. G. Maisey · 23rd May 2018, 02:00 PM

No Gustav, not at all, but when Madura pandes moved to a different area they made keris in the style of the area they were working in, what they could not change was the characteristics of their forge work. Thus, we sometimes see Madura forge work in blades from other places, in fact, places all over SE Asia.

23rd May 2018, 12:03 PM	#3
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	Alan, does the overall shape of Gonjo and Gandhik look like Madura to you? Attached Images

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Paul de Souza Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 66	Wished it did but it did not.... :-(

23rd May 2018, 11:17 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,047	In accordance with what I was taught, I would call this pamor Dwi Warno, ie, two pamors, even though these two pamors are arranged in an unusual way. I would call a keris with a different pamor on each blade face Pamor Tangkis. I would also call a keris that had pamor on one blade face, but no pamor on the other blade face, Pamor Tangkis. However, some people call a keris with a different pamor on each blade face Pamor Slewah, for these people, a keris that has pamor on one blade face, but has no pamor on the other blade face, is considered to be Pamor Tangkis. Like a lot of things with keris, it depends where you went to school, and who your teacher was. As to blade origin, I hesitate to form an opinion. The pamor work certainly looks like Madura/East Jawa, but not the garap. Madura pande moved around a lot, I have a keris that was the state execution keris of Brunei from 1842, and the opinion of many keris literate people who have handled it is that it is the work of a Madura pande.

23rd May 2018, 02:00 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,047	No Gustav, not at all, but when Madura pandes moved to a different area they made keris in the style of the area they were working in, what they could not change was the characteristics of their forge work. Thus, we sometimes see Madura forge work in blades from other places, in fact, places all over SE Asia.