" Death Shroud" Pamor ??

Rick · 1st April 2006, 04:53 PM

Thanks for the input Kai Wee .

As I go through the pamor drawings in Tammen's #2 I see that his example drawing of lar gansir shows it with a center line and not very much diagonal to it .

A variation it could certainly be but the lack of a defining center line puzzles me .

nechesh · 1st April 2006, 06:25 PM

Hi Rick. I think i agree with Kai Wee in so much that i think this may not be Buntel Mayat. I am not sure if it is Lar Gansir, it doesn't look like other examples i've seen either. Still a nice tombak. I like the dress as well.

Rick · 1st April 2006, 08:42 PM

Wouldn't a tombak or a keris made only from pamor material be weaker and more prone to breakage than one made with the pamor laid upon a steel/iron core ?

There is a twist like pattern on this blade as the pamor follows a spiral direction from front to back as it travels to the tip .

BluErf · 2nd April 2006, 12:20 PM

Well, actually, yes. Making a keris or a tombak from pure pamor metal is a manufacturing shortcut (yes, I won't even call these keris-making, but keris manufacturing

) that we see often these days. Those blades made from damascus billets with pamor miring are extremely prone to breakage. Anyway, such blades would serve a mostly 'decorative' and 'aesthetic' function.

Rick · 3rd April 2006, 01:00 AM

Well Fellas , I have it from a very reliable source

that this is a very recent piece from Madura .
Nonetheless the pamor is interesting and the carving is nice plus I got it for low $'s so overall I'm pretty pleased .

BluErf · 3rd April 2006, 03:44 PM

Well, my creed is to always buy quality items, regardless of whether they are recent or not.

Today's make is tomorrow's antique.

And no matter how old an item is, age can't make a mediocre item better.

Rick · 3rd April 2006, 03:48 PM

Well said Kai Wee .

1st April 2006, 08:42 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	A Question Wouldn't a tombak or a keris made only from pamor material be weaker and more prone to breakage than one made with the pamor laid upon a steel/iron core ? There is a twist like pattern on this blade as the pamor follows a spiral direction from front to back as it travels to the tip .

3rd April 2006, 03:48 PM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	True Well said Kai Wee .

1st April 2006, 04:53 PM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Thanks for the input Kai Wee . As I go through the pamor drawings in Tammen's #2 I see that his example drawing of lar gansir shows it with a center line and not very much diagonal to it . A variation it could certainly be but the lack of a defining center line puzzles me .

1st April 2006, 06:25 PM	#2
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Hi Rick. I think i agree with Kai Wee in so much that i think this may not be Buntel Mayat. I am not sure if it is Lar Gansir, it doesn't look like other examples i've seen either. Still a nice tombak. I like the dress as well.

2nd April 2006, 12:20 PM	#4
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Well, actually, yes. Making a keris or a tombak from pure pamor metal is a manufacturing shortcut (yes, I won't even call these keris-making, but keris manufacturing ) that we see often these days. Those blades made from damascus billets with pamor miring are extremely prone to breakage. Anyway, such blades would serve a mostly 'decorative' and 'aesthetic' function.

3rd April 2006, 01:00 AM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Well Fellas , I have it from a very reliable source that this is a very recent piece from Madura . Nonetheless the pamor is interesting and the carving is nice plus I got it for low $'s so overall I'm pretty pleased .

3rd April 2006, 03:44 PM	#6
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Well, my creed is to always buy quality items, regardless of whether they are recent or not. Today's make is tomorrow's antique. And no matter how old an item is, age can't make a mediocre item better.