Figurative Hilt ID

A. G. Maisey · 3rd May 2018, 07:15 AM

Looks like bone to me.

My guess is Madura, Sumenep work, and 1980's --- but if you say you got it previous to this David, well, just take it back to where you think reasonable.

It would perhaps sit best on something East Jawa/North Coast/Madura.

Yes, certainly Jentayu is Hindu, but the East Jawa/Madura carvers draw on all societies, cultures, periods for inspiration.

Gustav · 3rd May 2018, 11:24 AM

For me, it's interesting to see the engraved "cracks", which imitate older ivory.
A good lesson.

Rick · 3rd May 2018, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustav

For me, it's interesting to see the engraved "cracks", which imitate older ivory.
A good lesson.

Yes it would from about ten feet away, or to the novice collector.

As Gilbert and Sullivan wrote in Trial By Jury:

"She may very well pass for forty-three
In the dusk, with a light behind her."

Gustav · 3rd May 2018, 04:46 PM

Exactly - imagine you are in a dark shop room, and it's covered with "patina"...
And you don't see the Pesi hole, because it's fitted with a Keris.

Rick · 3rd May 2018, 06:30 PM

It has a certain charm though.

I wish I could carve that well.

Sajen · 3rd May 2018, 07:38 PM

Hello David,

nice hilt also when not antique. Another vote for bone and Jentayu. And I also think that it is from Madura.

Regards,
Detlef

David · 3rd May 2018, 08:23 PM

Thanks gents. For now it sits as a separate piece of keris art. I took it off the keris it originally came on some time ago since it didn't seem a good match. But one day it may find a suitable blade to reside upon.

David · 3rd May 2018, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Looks like bone to me.

My guess is Madura, Sumenep work, and 1980's --- but if you say you got it previous to this David, well, just take it back to where you think reasonable.

It would perhaps sit best on something East Jawa/North Coast/Madura.

Yes, certainly Jentayu is Hindu, but the East Jawa/Madura carvers draw on all societies, cultures, periods for inspiration.

Thanks Alan. No, i didn't acquire this until sometime around 2000. I had jus assumed it was from the 60s or 70s based upon the color and patina, but both those things can be faked to a certain extent, so your 80s attribution might well be correct.

3rd May 2018, 07:15 AM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Looks like bone to me. My guess is Madura, Sumenep work, and 1980's --- but if you say you got it previous to this David, well, just take it back to where you think reasonable. It would perhaps sit best on something East Jawa/North Coast/Madura. Yes, certainly Jentayu is Hindu, but the East Jawa/Madura carvers draw on all societies, cultures, periods for inspiration.

3rd May 2018, 11:24 AM	#2
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	For me, it's interesting to see the engraved "cracks", which imitate older ivory. A good lesson.

3rd May 2018, 04:46 PM	#4
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	Exactly - imagine you are in a dark shop room, and it's covered with "patina"... And you don't see the Pesi hole, because it's fitted with a Keris.

3rd May 2018, 06:30 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	It has a certain charm though. I wish I could carve that well.

3rd May 2018, 07:38 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,417	Hello David, nice hilt also when not antique. Another vote for bone and Jentayu. And I also think that it is from Madura. Regards, Detlef

3rd May 2018, 08:23 PM	#7
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	Thanks gents. For now it sits as a separate piece of keris art. I took it off the keris it originally came on some time ago since it didn't seem a good match. But one day it may find a suitable blade to reside upon.