Maguindanao twistcore Kris.

Gustav · 12th April 2018, 11:31 AM

Ian, Charles, Albert, Detlef, Ron - thank you!

Albert - before I had it in my hands I also thought of hilt being a replacement.
Possibly it still is, but the "lamella" of Asang-Asang fits the bend of its head rather well, and the rattan winding (which surely looks like a temporarily solution) seems to be done in Philippines. So at least - if replacement, then an old one.

Does somebody of you have seen such an ending of middle panel on a Kris before?

kino · 12th April 2018, 01:13 PM

I should have been a little more concise with my assessment.
I meant to add that the hilt replacement is old, not recent.
The blade is just too nice for a plain unadorned hilt.

I agree with CharlesS that this is pre 20th cent.

Spunjer · 12th April 2018, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kino

I should have been a little more concise with my assessment.
I meant to add that the hilt replacement is old, not recent.
The blade is just too nice for a plain unadorned hilt.

I agree with CharlesS that this is pre 20th cent.

nah brah, i have one that has a plain handle that seems to be original with the kris itself.
kinda makes me wonder sometimes if what we think as plain is not so back in the days

kino · 15th April 2018, 04:51 PM

Yeah, maybe. Yours hilt is finished compared to Gustav’s.

BTW did you get the panji?

Spunjer · 16th April 2018, 01:56 AM

no, never heard back from the guy, lol. would've been sweet!

Ian · 16th April 2018, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by kino

... The blade is just too nice for a plain unadorned hilt. ...

Hi Kino.

In an earlier comment here I suggested that this was a sword used by a panglima. A panglima was employed by a Sultan as his military chief, perhaps the equivalent of a general in western armies. Elsewhere on this site it has been suggested that twist core blades on a kris were a sign of rank for the panglima. If so, some of these blades would have been for use as a weapon and perhaps some were for "show." Therefore, finding a rather plain hilt on a high quality twist core blade should not be uncommon or surprising if many of these were intended for "field use" rather than "parade swords."

Ian.

12th April 2018, 11:31 AM	#1
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	Ian, Charles, Albert, Detlef, Ron - thank you! Albert - before I had it in my hands I also thought of hilt being a replacement. Possibly it still is, but the "lamella" of Asang-Asang fits the bend of its head rather well, and the rattan winding (which surely looks like a temporarily solution) seems to be done in Philippines. So at least - if replacement, then an old one. Does somebody of you have seen such an ending of middle panel on a Kris before? Attached Images

12th April 2018, 01:13 PM	#2
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,018	I should have been a little more concise with my assessment. I meant to add that the hilt replacement is old, not recent. The blade is just too nice for a plain unadorned hilt. I agree with CharlesS that this is pre 20th cent.

15th April 2018, 04:51 PM	#4
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,018	Yeah, maybe. Yours hilt is finished compared to Gustav’s. BTW did you get the panji?

16th April 2018, 01:56 AM	#5
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	no, never heard back from the guy, lol. would've been sweet!