Swiss Flintlock

corrado26 · 3rd April 2018, 04:17 PM

ok, here is a gun of the "Kanton Basel"
corrado26

Jon MB · 3rd April 2018, 04:48 PM

Thanks Corrado, nice resource we are compiling here.

This one also allegedly Swiss.

http://www.tircollection.com/t21523-...en-pensez-vous

Jon MB · 4th April 2018, 12:03 AM

A Canton of Lucerne example.

http://www.gelain.net/fr/node/20

Jon MB · 4th April 2018, 12:21 AM

This is the Belgian 1777 model, copied from the French. This is the same as the one at the start of the thread, except that one has had Swiss arsenal numbers added and the cantonal mark made on the stock.

The gun shown here is purely Belgian.
http://gelain.net/fr/node/19

As noted elsewhere, Switzerland was not manufacturing her own arms at this time and many cantons used existing stocks of French weapons left from Swiss involvement in the Napoleonic wars, or some cantons imported the affordable Belgian weapons.

In an attempt to bring some order to the situation, the Ordonnanz 1817 sought to define the specs of what were essentially 1777 muskets.

This is what I have picked up along the way, I'll try to add some references.

rickystl · 7th April 2018, 07:07 PM

Nice piece Jon. These French style muskets must have been popular with the troops. The 1777 seems to have been widely copied. Even the U.S. Springfield 1795/1816 was copied after these French muskets.

Rick

corrado26 · 8th April 2018, 11:26 AM

It might be interesting to know that this French infantry gun M 1777 corrigé an 9 was the first really mass produced military weapon of the world: Between 1804 and 1820 more than 2 million of these guns have been built in France (Charleville, Mutzig, St. Etienne, Maubeuge,) Italy (Turin, Naples, Brescia) Belgium (Liège) and Germany (Suhl, Herzberg, Schmalkalden, St.Blasien)
corrado26

3rd April 2018, 04:17 PM	#1
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,226	ok, here is a gun of the "Kanton Basel" corrado26 Attached Images

3rd April 2018, 04:48 PM	#2
Jon MB Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 143	Thanks Corrado, nice resource we are compiling here. This one also allegedly Swiss. http://www.tircollection.com/t21523-...en-pensez-vous Attached Images Last edited by Jon MB; 3rd April 2018 at 07:05 PM.

4th April 2018, 12:03 AM	#3
Jon MB Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 143	A Canton of Lucerne example. http://www.gelain.net/fr/node/20 Attached Images

4th April 2018, 12:21 AM	#4
Jon MB Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 143	This is the Belgian 1777 model, copied from the French. This is the same as the one at the start of the thread, except that one has had Swiss arsenal numbers added and the cantonal mark made on the stock. The gun shown here is purely Belgian. http://gelain.net/fr/node/19 As noted elsewhere, Switzerland was not manufacturing her own arms at this time and many cantons used existing stocks of French weapons left from Swiss involvement in the Napoleonic wars, or some cantons imported the affordable Belgian weapons. In an attempt to bring some order to the situation, the Ordonnanz 1817 sought to define the specs of what were essentially 1777 muskets. This is what I have picked up along the way, I'll try to add some references. Attached Images

7th April 2018, 07:07 PM	#5
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,630	Nice piece Jon. These French style muskets must have been popular with the troops. The 1777 seems to have been widely copied. Even the U.S. Springfield 1795/1816 was copied after these French muskets. Rick

8th April 2018, 11:26 AM	#6
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,226	It might be interesting to know that this French infantry gun M 1777 corrigé an 9 was the first really mass produced military weapon of the world: Between 1804 and 1820 more than 2 million of these guns have been built in France (Charleville, Mutzig, St. Etienne, Maubeuge,) Italy (Turin, Naples, Brescia) Belgium (Liège) and Germany (Suhl, Herzberg, Schmalkalden, St.Blasien) corrado26