My new Georgian spadroon

M ELEY · 29th March 2018, 09:08 PM

Wayne, what is the length of the sword you posted? It looks like a shorter blade; a perfect connection to onboard sea use! Also, how about a pic of that eagle head American sword? Unless you posted it in the past and I missed it?
Mark

kronckew · 29th March 2018, 10:29 PM

Sadly, it's likely a reproduction & i've been asked not to post them by the management.

The 'real' one has a 24.75 in. blade, perfect for naval use. Can't see any markings but there is an area near the guard that is scratched an looks like it may have had a two line label along the blade rather than across. it instantly became one of my favourites. posted here earlier: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...03&postcount=3

Hotspur · 30th March 2018, 03:26 PM

Knot rings do not necessarily note naval. Many stirrup shaped knuckle guards (five ball or not) have the enlarged casting boss near the pommel without having being drilled for a ring. The long grooves on a grip are regarded as reeding, as opposed to ribbing (at least in many texts.

A small spadroon file with some variety that I have archived You'll see another shallow reeded ivory in there, files to large to easily attach but lots to browse.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...DQ?usp=sharing

The shallow reeding/ribbing of the object sword is less common than a more regular spacing while not being terribly unusual. Although not necessarily the origin, I have noted it on some grips (typically dove head hilts) from the Netherlands. However, Ames of the US using an uneven reeding well into the 19th century, albeit more contoured vs the smooth with grooves we see on the object sword. A couple of my ebony grips below and I could show a handful of my horns but not really relevant to the object sword.

British horn grips quite brown are steamed and pressed. Continental carved and polished black until later ranging from greenish to dark brown.

Some of my stuff.
Cheers
GC

kronckew · 30th March 2018, 07:09 PM

I don't think anyone has implied that sword knots were knot (

) universal, or confined to naval use. You landlubbers are just as likely to drop something as us naval types, more so if you are on a horse.

A ring can, thru wear or trauma, break off any time after it was out of serve and the sword knot crumbled to dust, thus leaving us with a hole that may have once been occupied. I do think most if not all swords in service would have had an appropriate sword knot during their active service life, whatever their service branch, as they do now. Even the helmet pommeled cross guard one.

Hotspur has a very cool collection by the way. Very nice swords all.

Hotspur · 30th March 2018, 08:45 PM

Sword knots were mentioned as required gear, even on foot, in some manuals throughout the 19th century.

I mention knots not necessarily naval, as it becomes a descriptive. I had carried it for a long time myself, from a single book phrase.

Cheers

GC

M ELEY · 31st March 2018, 04:56 AM

Thanks, Glenn, for coming in on this one. Love the excellent specimens you posted as well. Any input on when the actual hole/ring became popular. I used to have an old source book (God knows where I put it) that claimed this was something that became popular in the last decade of the 18th. Your thoughts?
Mark

Hotspur · 31st March 2018, 07:21 PM

The implementation of the rings does seem to be the last decade(s) of the 18th century into the 19th but in general, to me it seems just an extra. That we saw the castings with ample space to drill for a ring and a majority not added makes it an option, something a patron asked for or elected from stock. With slots and holes continuing on a lot of hilts, those methods seem more lasting and secure. A ring not allowing for much width of what we see for ribbon like knots. A ring affording for little more than a braided cord, what have you.

Cheers

GC

29th March 2018, 10:29 PM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,249	Sadly, it's likely a reproduction & i've been asked not to post them by the management. The 'real' one has a 24.75 in. blade, perfect for naval use. Can't see any markings but there is an area near the guard that is scratched an looks like it may have had a two line label along the blade rather than across. it instantly became one of my favourites. posted here earlier: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...03&postcount=3 Last edited by kronckew; 29th March 2018 at 11:08 PM.

30th March 2018, 03:26 PM	#3
Hotspur Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nipmuc USA Posts: 528	Knot rings do not necessarily note naval. Many stirrup shaped knuckle guards (five ball or not) have the enlarged casting boss near the pommel without having being drilled for a ring. The long grooves on a grip are regarded as reeding, as opposed to ribbing (at least in many texts. A small spadroon file with some variety that I have archived You'll see another shallow reeded ivory in there, files to large to easily attach but lots to browse. https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...DQ?usp=sharing The shallow reeding/ribbing of the object sword is less common than a more regular spacing while not being terribly unusual. Although not necessarily the origin, I have noted it on some grips (typically dove head hilts) from the Netherlands. However, Ames of the US using an uneven reeding well into the 19th century, albeit more contoured vs the smooth with grooves we see on the object sword. A couple of my ebony grips below and I could show a handful of my horns but not really relevant to the object sword. British horn grips quite brown are steamed and pressed. Continental carved and polished black until later ranging from greenish to dark brown. Some of my stuff. Cheers GC Attached Images

30th March 2018, 07:09 PM	#4
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,249	I don't think anyone has implied that sword knots were knot () universal, or confined to naval use. You landlubbers are just as likely to drop something as us naval types, more so if you are on a horse. A ring can, thru wear or trauma, break off any time after it was out of serve and the sword knot crumbled to dust, thus leaving us with a hole that may have once been occupied. I do think most if not all swords in service would have had an appropriate sword knot during their active service life, whatever their service branch, as they do now. Even the helmet pommeled cross guard one. Hotspur has a very cool collection by the way. Very nice swords all.

29th March 2018, 09:08 PM	#1
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,196	Wayne, what is the length of the sword you posted? It looks like a shorter blade; a perfect connection to onboard sea use! Also, how about a pic of that eagle head American sword? Unless you posted it in the past and I missed it? Mark

30th March 2018, 08:45 PM	#5
Hotspur Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nipmuc USA Posts: 528	Sword knots were mentioned as required gear, even on foot, in some manuals throughout the 19th century. I mention knots not necessarily naval, as it becomes a descriptive. I had carried it for a long time myself, from a single book phrase. Cheers GC

31st March 2018, 04:56 AM	#6
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,196	Thanks, Glenn, for coming in on this one. Love the excellent specimens you posted as well. Any input on when the actual hole/ring became popular. I used to have an old source book (God knows where I put it) that claimed this was something that became popular in the last decade of the 18th. Your thoughts? Mark

31st March 2018, 07:21 PM	#7
Hotspur Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nipmuc USA Posts: 528	The implementation of the rings does seem to be the last decade(s) of the 18th century into the 19th but in general, to me it seems just an extra. That we saw the castings with ample space to drill for a ring and a majority not added makes it an option, something a patron asked for or elected from stock. With slots and holes continuing on a lot of hilts, those methods seem more lasting and secure. A ring not allowing for much width of what we see for ribbon like knots. A ring affording for little more than a braided cord, what have you. Cheers GC