Unknown swords for Identification

Angus1783 · 19th March 2018, 06:19 PM

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Angus1783 · 21st March 2018, 11:43 PM

So it looks like this saber was from a member of the Swiss guard while Pope Pius XI was in the Vatican. The coat of arms for this Pope is displayed on this sword. so that leaves the small sword with a lion pommel to be identified.

fernando · 22nd March 2018, 05:19 PM

Say Augus,
Perhaps you are referring to Pope Pius IX, enthroned in 1846. Then the date 1847 and the coat of arms with the lions in the blade would make sense

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Angus1783 · 23rd March 2018, 04:27 AM

Fernando,
Yes I had a typo I Meant Pope Pius IX
Although any visual documentation of these swords has been hard to come by.
Maybe a letter with photos to the Vatican armory curatoror could possibly yield some results (hopeful) It's worth a try.

fernando · 23rd March 2018, 09:15 AM

Good luck

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canos · 3rd April 2018, 04:09 PM

Probably saber of a Neapolitan honor guard.
Magrino = Bladesmith
Place of production and year = Napoli 1847

Regards
Canos

canos · 4th April 2018, 04:31 PM

It could also be a saber of the Guards of Pius IX.

fernando · 4th April 2018, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canos

It could also be a saber of the Guards of Pius IX.

As previously thought ?

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canos · 4th April 2018, 07:48 PM

Why so sensitive? I did not want to doubt your competence.
If you compare the blade engraving of the saber of the honor guard of Ferdinand II with the present engraving of the saber with the Pope coat of arms you will see the difference.
Then the question arises:
this is a saber of Honor Guard of Ferdinand II or a saber of the Pope's Guard.
That's a difference, ok?

fernando · 4th April 2018, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canos

Why so sensitive? I did not want to doubt your competence ...

Neither sensitive nor competent ... at all !
Don't take it wrong, canos; no reason for that !

Angus1783 · 5th April 2018, 02:26 AM

Canos,
Thank you very much for taking the Time to help identify this saber.
I relay do appreciate the information.and its nice to find items in the world
and bring them to light for discussion.

19th March 2018, 06:19 PM	#1
Angus1783 Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 14	more photos Attached Images

21st March 2018, 11:43 PM	#2
Angus1783 Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 14	Pope Pius XI So it looks like this saber was from a member of the Swiss guard while Pope Pius XI was in the Vatican. The coat of arms for this Pope is displayed on this sword. so that leaves the small sword with a lion pommel to be identified.

23rd March 2018, 04:27 AM	#4
Angus1783 Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 14	Thanks Fernando, Yes I had a typo I Meant Pope Pius IX Although any visual documentation of these swords has been hard to come by. Maybe a letter with photos to the Vatican armory curatoror could possibly yield some results (hopeful) It's worth a try.

3rd April 2018, 04:09 PM	#6
canos Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 28	Sciabola per Guardie d'Onore Probably saber of a Neapolitan honor guard. Magrino = Bladesmith Place of production and year = Napoli 1847 Regards Canos

5th April 2018, 02:26 AM	#11
Angus1783 Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 14	Canos Canos, Thank you very much for taking the Time to help identify this saber. I relay do appreciate the information.and its nice to find items in the world and bring them to light for discussion.

22nd March 2018, 05:19 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Say Augus, Perhaps you are referring to Pope Pius IX, enthroned in 1846. Then the date 1847 and the coat of arms with the lions in the blade would make sense .

23rd March 2018, 09:15 AM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Good luck .

4th April 2018, 04:31 PM	#7
canos Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 28	It could also be a saber of the Guards of Pius IX.

4th April 2018, 07:48 PM	#9
canos Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 28	Why so sensitive? I did not want to doubt your competence. If you compare the blade engraving of the saber of the honor guard of Ferdinand II with the present engraving of the saber with the Pope coat of arms you will see the difference. Then the question arises: this is a saber of Honor Guard of Ferdinand II or a saber of the Pope's Guard. That's a difference, ok?