WW2 KATANA, Dont think so / buyer beware

Sajen · 9th March 2018, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by asomotif

Catawiki does not sell, they offer the auction website.

Hello Willem,
yes, of course you are correct, it's site similar to ebay. I should have said: "it get sold....on their site..."

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Originally Posted by asomotif

It is the ignorant buyer who is willing to buy these keris at relatively high prices. I have noticed the same indded with often very simple javanese keris being sold for high prices..

I've contacted them as well in this issue with success, they ended all auctions with this wrong described keris.

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Originally Posted by asomotif

On the other hand I have heard that they can be very strict about what they accept for their website to be auctioned. as probably with your Salawaku.

Yes, they are. But the expert in this case wasn't able to see differences in quality and age. And this is something I am awaiting from an expert in ethnic antiques.

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Originally Posted by asomotif

Anyway, always use your brain before bidding. Buyer beware.

Agree complete with you!

Regards,
Detlef

Ian · 10th March 2018, 07:20 AM

Gents:

Please note this is a general comment and not directed at any one person in particular.

While we all decry the unethical practices of certain online auctions and individual sellers, please watch your language if you are discussing specific items and identities. In our litigious society you never know if this may get you or this site into trouble. The Moderators will edit posts that they think have crossed the line.

Over the years we have noted here a number of online sites and sellers that were not being accurate about the items they sold. Some of our members have attempted to inform the sellers of their mistakes, believing perhaps that these were made in error. When such mistakes were repeated by those individuals or sites, one could reasonably conclude that the recipient was incompetent, didn't care, or there was a willful intent to deceive and defraud the purchaser. But it's not up to us to label people as dishonest or the sellers of fakes. A reasonable reader should be able to infer that from a simple statement of the facts. We are not here to malign the miscreants but to inform potential victims about the pitfalls.

Ian.

Ian · 10th March 2018, 07:49 AM

On the subject of sites and sellers.

If a site functions as a place for auctions then it needs to have a code of ethical standards for its participants, and it should ensure all transactions comply with legal requirements. There is a fine line, however, between being incompetent and being fraudulent. It is not illegal to be ignorant or incompetent and end up selling something that is not actually what you said it was--a so-called "honest mistake." It is illegal to knowingly misrepresent an item for sale and thereby commit fraud.

Sites like Catawiki and eBay don't want to make this call. It's bad for business if you ban sellers for perceived fraud, especially if those people sue you and you can't prove it! So the hosting sites let a lot of things slide through. They just don't want to get into what the seller's intentions may have been.

Despite folks writing to sellers and sites, you can see why nothing much changes. That's why this forum can be useful -- as a source of reliable information regarding some of the more egregious misrepresentations that are out there.

Caveat emptor!!!

10th March 2018, 07:20 AM	#2
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,519	Please proceed carefully on this topic Gents: Please note this is a general comment and not directed at any one person in particular. While we all decry the unethical practices of certain online auctions and individual sellers, please watch your language if you are discussing specific items and identities. In our litigious society you never know if this may get you or this site into trouble. The Moderators will edit posts that they think have crossed the line. Over the years we have noted here a number of online sites and sellers that were not being accurate about the items they sold. Some of our members have attempted to inform the sellers of their mistakes, believing perhaps that these were made in error. When such mistakes were repeated by those individuals or sites, one could reasonably conclude that the recipient was incompetent, didn't care, or there was a willful intent to deceive and defraud the purchaser. But it's not up to us to label people as dishonest or the sellers of fakes. A reasonable reader should be able to infer that from a simple statement of the facts. We are not here to malign the miscreants but to inform potential victims about the pitfalls. Ian.

10th March 2018, 07:49 AM	#3
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,519	On sites and sellers On the subject of sites and sellers. If a site functions as a place for auctions then it needs to have a code of ethical standards for its participants, and it should ensure all transactions comply with legal requirements. There is a fine line, however, between being incompetent and being fraudulent. It is not illegal to be ignorant or incompetent and end up selling something that is not actually what you said it was--a so-called "honest mistake." It is illegal to knowingly misrepresent an item for sale and thereby commit fraud. Sites like Catawiki and eBay don't want to make this call. It's bad for business if you ban sellers for perceived fraud, especially if those people sue you and you can't prove it! So the hosting sites let a lot of things slide through. They just don't want to get into what the seller's intentions may have been. Despite folks writing to sellers and sites, you can see why nothing much changes. That's why this forum can be useful -- as a source of reliable information regarding some of the more egregious misrepresentations that are out there. *Caveat emptor!!!*