Marking on the dagger blade

cornelistromp · 5th March 2018, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by fernando

That is surpising news, Jasper ... at least to me

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According to authority R.D.C. Evans and also to a few plug bayonets i have and had myself, always we have a pin-tang system, which runs full length of the hilt. Very, very rarely we have a push tang, where a short tapered tang passes through an aperture in the crossguard, the grip added by hammering it onto the remaining tang length, secured by friction or by gluing, a popular table-cuttlery method, visibly lacking in strenght. In any case, no rivets taking place ... at least that i have heard of

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some spanish and probably also portugese do have rivets .

best,
Jasper

fernando · 5th March 2018, 05:00 PM

I dare say Jasper, that this beautiful dagger is not a plug bayonet. Its handle lacks the obligatory shape, namely the grip swell.

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cornelistromp · 6th March 2018, 10:14 AM

for me it is more a bayonet, besides only taper is needed to stay in the barrel. see eg English bayonet from the end of the 17th century.

best,
jasper

fernando · 6th March 2018, 12:46 PM

Let me try and make myself understood, Jasper ...

You must have the grip tapering in a way that you push it firmly towards the swell, until you get it 'stuck', to prevent it from oscilating; no more 'hollow' space between this and the crossguard ferrule.
The British example you show is correct; but i am afraid your previous example doesn't fit into the plug bayonet category.
I am no expert though; but it helps to look at a couple hundred plug bayonets in rather comprehensive R.D.C. book; none has rivets in their handles, by the way.

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cornelistromp · 9th March 2018, 08:55 AM

although it is not in the book of Evans, for me it is a plug bayonet and one with a riveted grip.
if you have a different opinion, which differs from mine, that is absolutely fine of course.

best,
Jasper

fernando · 9th March 2018, 10:28 AM

Met vriendelijke groeten

5th March 2018, 05:00 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	I dare say Jasper, that this beautiful dagger is not a plug bayonet. Its handle lacks the obligatory shape, namely the grip swell. . Attached Images

6th March 2018, 10:14 AM	#3
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,064	for me it is more a bayonet, besides only taper is needed to stay in the barrel. see eg English bayonet from the end of the 17th century. best, jasper Attached Images

6th March 2018, 12:46 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Let me try and make myself understood, Jasper ... You must have the grip tapering in a way that you push it firmly towards the swell, until you get it 'stuck', to prevent it from oscilating; no more 'hollow' space between this and the crossguard ferrule. The British example you show is correct; but i am afraid your previous example doesn't fit into the plug bayonet category. I am no expert though; but it helps to look at a couple hundred plug bayonets in rather comprehensive R.D.C. book; none has rivets in their handles, by the way. . Attached Images

9th March 2018, 08:55 AM	#5
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,064	although it is not in the book of Evans, for me it is a plug bayonet and one with a riveted grip. if you have a different opinion, which differs from mine, that is absolutely fine of course. best, Jasper

9th March 2018, 10:28 AM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Met vriendelijke groeten