Antique Moro Gunong

Sajen · 18th February 2018, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Even gold receive a dark patina over years and I've seen suassa very patinated which show only after a polish what it is.

The first picture show antique Indonesian finger-rings from high quality gold but patinated since for years not worn and second picture show a tested suassa pendokok which I received not only broken but as well dark patinated.

kai · 18th February 2018, 12:43 PM

Hello Detlef,

Thanks for the pics! I wasn't directly referring to your posting and my wording possibly wasn't clear enough.

I believe in these cases it's more like build-up of oil and dirt rather than typical patina. Still lower gold/silver alloys will also result in some oxidized metal, so this POV will be open to debate.

Regards,
Kai

kai · 18th February 2018, 12:46 PM

P.S.: Out of active use is the key word here, I believe.

Sajen · 18th February 2018, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kai

P.S.: Out of active use is the key word here, I believe.

Yes, I think this is correct!

Rafngard · 18th February 2018, 04:45 PM

First and foremost, what a lovely gunong! And I wish I could do half as good of a cleaning job.

Secondly, the "belt loop" on the scabbard is unusually isn't it? I don't think I've seen one like this on an older one before. Is this maybe a latter addition? The color of the metal of matches both the metal bands and the ferule/guard, so if it is latter, it's a good match.

Thanks,
Leif

Ian · 18th February 2018, 05:31 PM

Hi Leif:

One does find older gunong with a belt loop like this, and it is not all that uncommon a finding. Often, however, the knife was simply thrust through a waist band and there was no need for a loop.

Ian.

Rafngard · 18th February 2018, 05:37 PM

Ian,

Thank you for your willingness to share your formidable knowledge. I always learn something from your comments.

Thanks,
Leif

Sajen · 18th February 2018, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kai

I wasn't directly referring to your posting and my wording possibly wasn't clear enough.

Hello Kai,

no worries, my post wasn't meant regarding your comment. Oxidation is transfer from electrons from chemical view. And even gold do it but extremely slow. And suassa has a lower gold content so it will patinate more fast. I am not a chemist but think that this is correct.

Regards,
Detlef

18th February 2018, 12:43 PM	#2
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Detlef, Thanks for the pics! I wasn't directly referring to your posting and my wording possibly wasn't clear enough. I believe in these cases it's more like build-up of oil and dirt rather than typical patina. Still lower gold/silver alloys will also result in some oxidized metal, so this POV will be open to debate. Regards, Kai

18th February 2018, 12:46 PM	#3
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	P.S.: Out of active use is the key word here, I believe.

18th February 2018, 04:45 PM	#5
Rafngard Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Minneapolis,MN Posts: 350	First and foremost, what a lovely gunong! And I wish I could do half as good of a cleaning job. Secondly, the "belt loop" on the scabbard is unusually isn't it? I don't think I've seen one like this on an older one before. Is this maybe a latter addition? The color of the metal of matches both the metal bands and the ferule/guard, so if it is latter, it's a good match. Thanks, Leif

18th February 2018, 05:31 PM	#6
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,399	Hi Leif: One does find older gunong with a belt loop like this, and it is not all that uncommon a finding. Often, however, the knife was simply thrust through a waist band and there was no need for a loop. Ian.

18th February 2018, 05:37 PM	#7
Rafngard Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Minneapolis,MN Posts: 350	Ian, Thank you for your willingness to share your formidable knowledge. I always learn something from your comments. Thanks, Leif