Another Java kris for identification

Paul B. · 29th January 2018, 06:05 AM

Confusing thoughts but thanks anyway.
The dress is Solo and the fitting is fine but that should not be conclusive.

A. G. Maisey · 29th January 2018, 06:59 AM

Accept or reject:- its only an opinion, but if you or anybody else has a different opinion, please provide the indicators that incline you to that opinion.

One thing is conclusive:- this blade is most definitely not Surakarta, even though the dress may be. I doubt that the wrongko was made for this blade, it looks like a refit to me. Nice wrongko, old, reasonably high value, but a refit.

Paul B. · 29th January 2018, 12:20 PM

Thanks, observing the blade it is acceptable not to call it a Solo blade (as the parameters don't match) but Javanese in general would be my best vote.
Of course a ganjairas is a feature often seen in Bugis / Sumatran krisses but a kelap lintah on the other hand is not common at all. Aside from that a strong ada-ada is more likely Javanese. Just my view.
PS. The dress is indeed very fine an the kendit is original.

David · 29th January 2018, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul B.

Thanks, observing the blade it is acceptable not to call it a Solo blade (as the parameters don't match) but Javanese in general would be my best vote.
Of course a ganjairas is a feature often seen in Bugis / Sumatran krisses but a kelap lintah on the other hand is not common at all. Aside from that a strong ada-ada is more likely Javanese. Just my view.
PS. The dress is indeed very fine an the kendit is original.

But kelap lintah is not that unusual in Madurese keris which is what Alan suggested as an origin for this blade. After seeing the over all photo and noting, as Alan pointed out, the inwardly inclining gandhik, i am inclined to agree that Madura seems a very good possibility. I have also seen many Madurese keris with a strong ada ada.

The kendit wrongko is indeed beautiful so it is not surprising that someone would choose to adapt it to this blade.

Paul B. · 29th January 2018, 03:49 PM

Madura is quite acceptable I admit

Gustav · 30th January 2018, 01:39 PM

Actually Kelap Lintah (in combination with inclined Gandhik) and Ada2 are not unusual on South-Sumatran Keris, also Gonjo Iras.

The type of gold application on Gandhik and Gonjo seen here is typical for Palembang blades, and Palembang imitated many styles bladewise.

By the way note some likeness to the Keris Taming Sari (not getting involved in guessing about its age and provenance).

There is some discrepancy with the wear of Jenggot and Greneng, and at least two possibilities to explain it.

Overall, if there would be a possibility for me to buy such Keris, especially with only pictures available, I would never do it - too many question marks and daring details here.

29th January 2018, 06:05 AM	#1
Paul B. Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 205	Confusing thoughts but thanks anyway. The dress is Solo and the fitting is fine but that should not be conclusive. Attached Images

29th January 2018, 06:59 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Accept or reject:- its only an opinion, but if you or anybody else has a different opinion, please provide the indicators that incline you to that opinion. One thing is conclusive:- this blade is most definitely not Surakarta, even though the dress may be. I doubt that the wrongko was made for this blade, it looks like a refit to me. Nice wrongko, old, reasonably high value, but a refit.

29th January 2018, 12:20 PM	#3
Paul B. Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 205	Thanks, observing the blade it is acceptable not to call it a Solo blade (as the parameters don't match) but Javanese in general would be my best vote. Of course a ganjairas is a feature often seen in Bugis / Sumatran krisses but a kelap lintah on the other hand is not common at all. Aside from that a strong ada-ada is more likely Javanese. Just my view. PS. The dress is indeed very fine an the kendit is original.

29th January 2018, 03:49 PM	#5
Paul B. Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 205	Madura is quite acceptable I admit

30th January 2018, 01:39 PM	#6
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	Actually Kelap Lintah (in combination with inclined Gandhik) and Ada2 are not unusual on South-Sumatran Keris, also Gonjo Iras. The type of gold application on Gandhik and Gonjo seen here is typical for Palembang blades, and Palembang imitated many styles bladewise. By the way note some likeness to the Keris Taming Sari (not getting involved in guessing about its age and provenance). There is some discrepancy with the wear of Jenggot and Greneng, and at least two possibilities to explain it. Overall, if there would be a possibility for me to buy such Keris, especially with only pictures available, I would never do it - too many question marks and daring details here.