18thC Austro-Hungarian hussar sabre

Victrix · 10th January 2018, 05:06 PM

Thank you for your kind comment mariusgmioc. I already have red felt material so will make a washer to see what it looks like. It easily slips on and off and is simple to make.

Victrix · 10th January 2018, 05:12 PM

Many thanks for your comment Roland. Interesting to hear your view on the handicraft. I wish we knew more about these artisans: who they were, how they worked, etc. I took another photo to show two similar Austro-Hungarian sabres but with quite different pommels. One shows the tang rivet whereas the other one seems concealed behind a little shield. That’s why I thought the hilt on the left might have been reworked? But maybe it’s just two different styles?

Roland_M · 12th January 2018, 12:08 PM

Hi Victrix,

in my opinion your riveting is original.

Here are two examples from my collection, one French chasseur saber and one massive Cuirassier Sword. Looks very similar to your example.

The Cuirassier sword got a perfect riveting. Everything is 100% fixed in place after almost 200 years.

Roland

Victrix · 12th January 2018, 01:35 PM

Hi Roland,

I think you are most likely correct. The Austro-Hungarian sabres have quite different designed pommels compared to the French swords, but I checked with Wagner’s Cut & Thrust Weapons and some sabres show tang rivets and some don’t.

The sabre on the left is estimated to be from around 1740 and the one on the right from around 1790. Below I post a photo of a Hungarian sabre from around 1650 which shows a similar teardrop shaped cap on the pommel with a tang rivet. So I think you are most likely correct.

corrado26 · 12th January 2018, 02:41 PM

Until a few weeks ago I had this sabre in my collection, but sold it. He had nearly the same riveting as on the sabre in question. Could you please post some fotos pf the rings of the sheath and how they are fixed?
corrado26

Victrix · 12th January 2018, 03:45 PM

That’s a very beautiful sabre Corrado. Wagner calls it a ”Fringia” sabre in his book. It looks like it doesn’t show the tang rivet which is hidden behind the teardrop shaped cap? I assume the scabbard is covered in black leather. It looks almost blue in the photos.

Please see scabbard ring photos below as requested.I will clean the sword to remove dirt and oxidation to prevent damage. I will spray the blade with Ballistol and leave on overnight in the hope of removing faint signs of rust speckles.

corrado26 · 13th January 2018, 09:34 AM

You should pay attention to traces of war and use at the inside of the fittings of the rings., especially at the inside of the fiittings, where the ring touches the fitting. After more than 200 years and a long military carreer such traces MUST to be found!
corrado26

10th January 2018, 05:12 PM	#2
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 755	Many thanks for your comment Roland. Interesting to hear your view on the handicraft. I wish we knew more about these artisans: who they were, how they worked, etc. I took another photo to show two similar Austro-Hungarian sabres but with quite different pommels. One shows the tang rivet whereas the other one seems concealed behind a little shield. That’s why I thought the hilt on the left might have been reworked? But maybe it’s just two different styles? Attached Images

12th January 2018, 12:08 PM	#3
Roland_M Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Germany Posts: 525	Hi Victrix, in my opinion your riveting is original. Here are two examples from my collection, one French chasseur saber and one massive Cuirassier Sword. Looks very similar to your example. The Cuirassier sword got a perfect riveting. Everything is 100% fixed in place after almost 200 years. Roland Attached Images

12th January 2018, 01:35 PM	#4
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 755	Hi Roland, I think you are most likely correct. The Austro-Hungarian sabres have quite different designed pommels compared to the French swords, but I checked with Wagner’s Cut & Thrust Weapons and some sabres show tang rivets and some don’t. The sabre on the left is estimated to be from around 1740 and the one on the right from around 1790. Below I post a photo of a Hungarian sabre from around 1650 which shows a similar teardrop shaped cap on the pommel with a tang rivet. So I think you are most likely correct. Attached Images

12th January 2018, 02:41 PM	#5
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,226	Until a few weeks ago I had this sabre in my collection, but sold it. He had nearly the same riveting as on the sabre in question. Could you please post some fotos pf the rings of the sheath and how they are fixed? corrado26 Attached Images

12th January 2018, 03:45 PM	#6
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 755	That’s a very beautiful sabre Corrado. Wagner calls it a ”Fringia” sabre in his book. It looks like it doesn’t show the tang rivet which is hidden behind the teardrop shaped cap? I assume the scabbard is covered in black leather. It looks almost blue in the photos. Please see scabbard ring photos below as requested.I will clean the sword to remove dirt and oxidation to prevent damage. I will spray the blade with Ballistol and leave on overnight in the hope of removing faint signs of rust speckles. Attached Images

10th January 2018, 05:06 PM	#1
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 755	Thank you for your kind comment mariusgmioc. I already have red felt material so will make a washer to see what it looks like. It easily slips on and off and is simple to make.

13th January 2018, 09:34 AM	#7
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,226	You should pay attention to traces of war and use at the inside of the fittings of the rings., especially at the inside of the fiittings, where the ring touches the fitting. After more than 200 years and a long military carreer such traces MUST to be found! corrado26