medieval sword with rune script.

Reventlov · 23rd December 2017, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cornelistromp

nonetheless, this oval pommel variation can be seen earlier, already in 13thC art , on early frescoes in Eastern Europe. fe. Zica Monestry 1220 in Serbia and 2 others in Kosovo.

I found this pommel in combination with XII blade, a almost similar recess I have seen on a type of Z pommel.
it would be interesting to see a sword with a H1 pommel with a similar recess

Hello again Jasper,
Finally I have time to follow up properly (holiday season!)... What particularly struck me about the shape of the pommel is the recess plus the central nub - I have the impression the latter is not too common, particularly prior to the 1400s, when they start to appear more on type XV and XVIII arming swords? I am very curious to see any of these relevant comparisons you have found.

I have found one possible example of a similar H1 pommel, but the line drawing is not enough to say for sure... it is in the Casimir Pulaski Museum, in Poland again! The "eastern European" trend is holding strong.

Also from Poland is a sword in Malbork Castle... but this has been determined to be a FAKE! (see Zabinski, Stepinski, "A sword from Gdansk...")

Apart from these, the only comparison that came to mind is a group of XIIIa's that greatly resemble each other: narrow blades, thin tangs, long thin crosses, and disk pommels with the recess/nub. Below is one of these from the museum in Vienna, there are couple others in museums and circulating in recent auctions.

Happy holidays,
Mark

cornelistromp · 25th December 2017, 10:39 AM

Hi Mark, thank you for this great information and attachment's.

The pommel of the sword A2059in KHM in Vienna has great similarities, This sword is dated from the second half of the 14th century.
On the basis of the few remaining specimens and lack of information it is unfortunately not possible to indicate a time span for the pommel with recess with hub and certainly not for a particular geographic area.

quote Oakeshott and certainly apply to my dating's:
any date any expert may assign to a medieval sword can at best be speculative, and at worst is absurd. ROMS p3

very best wishes,

Jasper

25th December 2017, 10:39 AM	#2
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	Hi Mark, thank you for this great information and attachment's. The pommel of the sword A2059in KHM in Vienna has great similarities, This sword is dated from the second half of the 14th century. On the basis of the few remaining specimens and lack of information it is unfortunately not possible to indicate a time span for the pommel with recess with hub and certainly not for a particular geographic area. quote Oakeshott and certainly apply to my dating's: any date any expert may assign to a medieval sword can at best be speculative, and at worst is absurd. ROMS p3 very best wishes, Jasper Attached Images