Balinese kris from Polish Museum

Paul B. · 18th December 2017, 06:34 PM

The collection of the museum can be reached thru this link:
http://collectie.tropenmuseum.nl/Default.aspx

It is hard to find what you're looking for among the vast majority of pics as the they are so small. I could only trace back one of them. There was a brief description of the outer features and Bali was mentioned as a provenance.
This pic of the blade shows kinatah but that's just about all you can tell about it.

David · 18th December 2017, 08:37 PM

Thanks Paul. I have surfed the Tropen Museum site a number of times.
The photo as uploaded here is a bit too small to tell much, but it certainly looks like it could be a Bali blade.
If you read through this thread you will see why some of us thought that perhaps the originally posted keris may have been from Madura instead.

Paul B. · 19th December 2017, 09:03 AM

Fully agree and this 'high rank' Madura kris (?) definitely shows typical Madurese features.
The kinatah is 18 or maybe 22 carat gold? Additional kinatah makes it a precious piece. There is red 'dust' in the gilt pendok, just for decoration purpose or is there a relation with a Keraton?

Jean · 19th December 2017, 09:58 AM

Hello Paul,
The kinatah of your kris looks recently made or refurbished from the pics, and the blade may be Javanese?
I attach the pic of a Javanese kris with an old blade but a recently made (about 1990) silver pendok with topengan.
Regards

Paul B. · 19th December 2017, 10:55 AM

Kinatah not very old I agree nor superbly made but blade has the perfect fit into a typical ladrang capu slot opening so why Javanese? NG pamor is a wellknown Madurese pamor.

Paul B. · 19th December 2017, 11:11 AM

Additional pic of slot.

Paul B. · 19th December 2017, 11:51 AM

Checked the blade and it measures from tip to ganja: 37 cm and showing a wide base and clotchy pamor so doubtfree a Madurese blade.

Jean · 19th December 2017, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul B.

Kinatah not very old I agree nor superbly made but blade has the perfect fit into a typical ladrang capu slot opening so why Javanese? NG pamor is a wellknown Madurese pamor.

Hello Paul,
Ladrang Capu is a Central Javanese type of warangka (see book KJ page 306) but yours is clearly an East Javansese type (also found in Madura).
Regards

18th December 2017, 06:34 PM	#1
Paul B. Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 205	The collection of the museum can be reached thru this link: http://collectie.tropenmuseum.nl/Default.aspx It is hard to find what you're looking for among the vast majority of pics as the they are so small. I could only trace back one of them. There was a brief description of the outer features and Bali was mentioned as a provenance. This pic of the blade shows kinatah but that's just about all you can tell about it. Attached Images

19th December 2017, 09:03 AM	#3
Paul B. Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 205	Fully agree and this 'high rank' Madura kris (?) definitely shows typical Madurese features. The kinatah is 18 or maybe 22 carat gold? Additional kinatah makes it a precious piece. There is red 'dust' in the gilt pendok, just for decoration purpose or is there a relation with a Keraton? Attached Images

19th December 2017, 09:58 AM	#4
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hello Paul, The kinatah of your kris looks recently made or refurbished from the pics, and the blade may be Javanese? I attach the pic of a Javanese kris with an old blade but a recently made (about 1990) silver pendok with topengan. Regards Attached Images

19th December 2017, 11:11 AM	#6
Paul B. Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 205	Additional pic of slot. Attached Images

18th December 2017, 08:37 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,238	Thanks Paul. I have surfed the Tropen Museum site a number of times. The photo as uploaded here is a bit too small to tell much, but it certainly looks like it could be a Bali blade. If you read through this thread you will see why some of us thought that perhaps the originally posted keris may have been from Madura instead.

19th December 2017, 10:55 AM	#5
Paul B. Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 205	Kinatah not very old I agree nor superbly made but blade has the perfect fit into a typical ladrang capu slot opening so why Javanese? NG pamor is a wellknown Madurese pamor.

19th December 2017, 11:51 AM	#7
Paul B. Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 205	Checked the blade and it measures from tip to ganja: 37 cm and showing a wide base and clotchy pamor so doubtfree a Madurese blade.