Omani Matchlock Barrel - Abu Fathilah

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 1st December 2017, 07:32 PM

Please see~

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=futtila

If you need any more close ups I can provide .. Good luck with the restoration.

rickystl · 1st December 2017, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

Please see~

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=futtila

If you need any more close ups I can provide .. Good luck with the restoration.

Hi Ibrahiim.

Thanks again for the Link. I remember these discussions and it was good to re-read.

I'm just happy to have the barrel for study and my collection.

Rick

kahnjar1 · 1st December 2017, 08:45 PM

Hi Rick,
As you quite rightly say, and as we have discussed elsewhere, the only thing "real' appears to be the barrel, and might I say a very nice one too! The rest is IMHO new made or from non correct bits. An interesting creation!
You mention that you have an Omani Matchlock in your collection....is it your intention to swap the barrels? Can you post a pic of the other one that you have please.
Stu

Pukka Bundook · 2nd December 2017, 03:58 PM

Stu,

I think Rick meant he does not have another, that this is his first. I am sure he will put me right if I am mistaken!

Rick,
Very nice barrel!
According to Elgood, these Fluted barrels aren17th C.
The 18th C and later ones he shows are not fluted, but still very nice barrels.

I am still "all of a squirm" wanting to know Exactly where these barrels came from, and what they looked like in their original stocking up.

It was very interesting to me, when I saw that Tipu Sultan had two of these barrels in his collection, stocked up in more modern European style, And that the poincons of silver were also missing as we see in most cases now.
This must mean that they have been in many cases missing for a very long time indeed!
I do not see them inthis case, but you are well aware of them I am sure.

Pity the clown drilled the tang but I am sure you can correct it.
Please keep us posted about the re-stocking.
Somewhere I may have an Omani stock, or part of it anyway!

Is the bore OK?

Richard.

rickystl · 2nd December 2017, 05:07 PM

Hi Stu.

Thanks for the coments. Yes, it's really a strange creation. You would have thought that the builder would have at least done even a rudimentary research as to what the gun looked like before doing all this work. But, no loss here. The price was easily doable just to obtain the barrel.
NO, I don't own an original, complete gun. And honestly, have never tried to seriously obtain one. But I've always thought the barrels were so interesting and full of mystery. So I couldn't pass this one up when the opportunity arose.
Yes, the barrel appears in nice shape. No corrosion that I can detect so far. Just a nice smooth even patina. I'll take the barrel off the stock this weekend and see if there is anything of interest. I'll give it a light oil cleaning while I'm at it.

Hi Richard.

Thanks for your coments. As you mention, Elgood dates these fluted barrels to the 17th Century. But there does not seem to be any conclusive evidence as to their original origins. Persian, German, ?? But the speculation is very interesting.
I am not planning at present to re-stock the barrel in a more correct, representative manner. But it's a "maybe" down the road. LOL Too many other gun projects at present. But I am sure happy to get this barrel. Especially in such nice condition.

FLASH !!! I just realized there is an obstruction in the bore, at the breech end, about 3" long.

And, when you run a wood rod through the bore, and bounce it a couple times, it has that familiar sound of wood against lead.
Will have to investigate this weekend and report back. Could be an old load !! Stay tuned.......

Rick

kahnjar1 · 2nd December 2017, 08:56 PM

Hi Rick and Richard....you are both of course correct. I did not read Rick's post properly. I took it to say that he DID have an Omani in his vast collection........maybe he actually does but just can not remember it??

Keep looking Rick
Stu

Pukka Bundook · 2nd December 2017, 11:01 PM

Rick,

These barrels have the same constriction of the bore well up from the breech. as far up as maybe 5-6"
How and what they loaded with I have no clue. When I checked mine, although small bore of .50 or less, they still wanted to hold a couple of hundred brains of powder to fill this chamber!

Try a long wire down the bore, as it may be just the constriction you are hitting.

Stu,

LOL!

rickystl · 3rd December 2017, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kahnjar1

Hi Rick and Richard....you are both of course correct. I did not read Rick's post properly. I took it to say that he DID have an Omani in his vast collection........maybe he actually does but just can not remember it??

Keep looking Rick
Stu

Hi Stu.

LOL!!! No. I checked. I really don't have an Omani matchlock. LOL.
However, I think I mentioned to you a while back that I discovered another Afghan jazail - that I had comepletely forgot about !! LOL
So your suggestion was not without merit. LOL

Rick

1st December 2017, 07:32 PM	#1
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Please see~ http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=futtila If you need any more close ups I can provide .. Good luck with the restoration.

1st December 2017, 08:45 PM	#3
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,811	Hi Rick, As you quite rightly say, and as we have discussed elsewhere, the only thing "real' appears to be the barrel, and might I say a very nice one too! The rest is IMHO new made or from non correct bits. An interesting creation! You mention that you have an Omani Matchlock in your collection....is it your intention to swap the barrels? Can you post a pic of the other one that you have please. Stu

2nd December 2017, 03:58 PM	#4
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Stu, I think Rick meant he does not have another, that this is his first. I am sure he will put me right if I am mistaken! Rick, Very nice barrel! According to Elgood, these Fluted barrels aren17th C. The 18th C and later ones he shows are not fluted, but still very nice barrels. I am still "all of a squirm" wanting to know Exactly where these barrels came from, and what they looked like in their original stocking up. It was very interesting to me, when I saw that Tipu Sultan had two of these barrels in his collection, stocked up in more modern European style, And that the poincons of silver were also missing as we see in most cases now. This must mean that they have been in many cases missing for a very long time indeed! I do not see them inthis case, but you are well aware of them I am sure. Pity the clown drilled the tang but I am sure you can correct it. Please keep us posted about the re-stocking. Somewhere I may have an Omani stock, or part of it anyway! Is the bore OK? Richard.

2nd December 2017, 05:07 PM	#5
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,633	Hi Stu. Thanks for the coments. Yes, it's really a strange creation. You would have thought that the builder would have at least done even a rudimentary research as to what the gun looked like before doing all this work. But, no loss here. The price was easily doable just to obtain the barrel. NO, I don't own an original, complete gun. And honestly, have never tried to seriously obtain one. But I've always thought the barrels were so interesting and full of mystery. So I couldn't pass this one up when the opportunity arose. Yes, the barrel appears in nice shape. No corrosion that I can detect so far. Just a nice smooth even patina. I'll take the barrel off the stock this weekend and see if there is anything of interest. I'll give it a light oil cleaning while I'm at it. Hi Richard. Thanks for your coments. As you mention, Elgood dates these fluted barrels to the 17th Century. But there does not seem to be any conclusive evidence as to their original origins. Persian, German, ?? But the speculation is very interesting. I am not planning at present to re-stock the barrel in a more correct, representative manner. But it's a "maybe" down the road. LOL Too many other gun projects at present. But I am sure happy to get this barrel. Especially in such nice condition. FLASH !!! I just realized there is an obstruction in the bore, at the breech end, about 3" long. And, when you run a wood rod through the bore, and bounce it a couple times, it has that familiar sound of wood against lead. Will have to investigate this weekend and report back. Could be an old load !! Stay tuned....... Rick

2nd December 2017, 08:56 PM	#6
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,811	Hi Rick and Richard....you are both of course correct. I did not read Rick's post properly. I took it to say that he DID have an Omani in his vast collection........maybe he actually does but just can not remember it?? Keep looking Rick Stu

2nd December 2017, 11:01 PM	#7
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Rick, These barrels have the same constriction of the bore well up from the breech. as far up as maybe 5-6" How and what they loaded with I have no clue. When I checked mine, although small bore of .50 or less, they still wanted to hold a couple of hundred brains of powder to fill this chamber! Try a long wire down the bore, as it may be just the constriction you are hitting. Stu, LOL!