Burmese Dha for comment

Titus Pullo · 20th March 2006, 05:57 PM

I guess it is a Shan...since the Thais (particularily northern Thai people) are the same people as the Shans. But that can be tricky because people around there particularily the Burmans and the Thai Ayutthayans were influenced by many cultures because of many tradings with foreign merchants. The blade design and scabard seem to be Siamese, but the decorative designs on the scabard and hilt could be Shans (I know very little about Shans arts), or perhaps even Burman or the hill tribes. Or It could be from the Mon people, also. The Mon were the people who set up any major civilization on the mainland Southeast Asia for the first time, and their arts and martial arts influenced the later Khmer empire, Siamese, Burman, Shans, Vietnamese, and so forth. The Mon fought with swords in a similar manner as the Siamese, by decapitating the opponents. In other words...the Mon civilization was the prototype for other mainland Southeast Asian civilization. The Mon themselves were mainly influenced by the Buddhist cultures in India and Ceylon. There are a lot of Mon people, who fled the opressive Burman government, living in Thailand, also.

Andrew · 20th March 2006, 07:18 PM

Which knife are you talking about?

Titus Pullo · 20th March 2006, 09:07 PM

I'm talking about the first one.

PUFF · 21st March 2006, 07:19 AM

Here 's newly made Lanna style knife.

It 's belong to my friend, Pol.Capt. WabMa.

You may notice similar handle and scabbard design.

Dear Titus, It 's difficult to tell Myan, Mon, Tai or even Lanna art from this Scabbard. These people were mixed since Pugam (Pagan) period so there are many "borrow" stuff among them.

Titus Pullo · 21st March 2006, 08:23 AM

Thank you, PUFF!

Titus Pullo · 21st March 2006, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PUFF

Here 's newly made Lanna style knife.

It 's belong to my friend, Pol.Capt. WabMa.

You may notice similar handle and scabbard design.

Dear Titus, It 's difficult to tell Myan, Mon, Tai or even Lanna art from this Scabbard. These people were mixed since Pugam (Pagan) period so there are many "borrow" stuff among them.

Did you know that the Chinese people who came over to Ayutthaya saw thai people eating fish sauce...which is basically preserved anchovies in salt. They thought it was pretty good, but a lot of Chinese were vegetarians, so instead they tried making it out of vegetables until they did it with soybeans. That's how they came up with soy-sauce. Also, the first bronze in the world was made in northeastern part of Thailand, and the Chinese thought it was a pretty good alloy, so they started the Chinese bronze age. The bronze from Asia was superior in quality than the Middle East because part of the metal use was tin...not arcenic, a very poisonous metal. Most of the tin are mainly found in mainland Southeast Asia. Furthermore, if you look all the intrecate designs and pattern on the wall, chairs, etc...particularily the Manchu dynasty...those were largely influenced by Siamese. When they came to Siam, particularily Ayutthaya, they see beautiful outlandish palaces, jewelries, decorative items, and so on, of the Siamese royalties, they thought they got to have some. If you've seen the movie "Suriyothai", you'd know what I'm talking about!

Andrew · 21st March 2006, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PUFF

Here 's newly made Lanna style knife.

It 's belong to my friend, Pol.Capt. WabMa.

You may notice similar handle and scabbard design.

Nice knife! Is that your work? (And if not, when will we see some?

).

I do note some superficial similarities between this and drdavid's knife. However, the tapering scabbard and down-turning handle are well known to this type of knife. Have you seen any similar from Thailand?

PUFF · 24th March 2006, 06:27 AM

The knife 's not my work. I 'm currently practicing japanese stuff

.

There are some Siamese knives with downward hilt and similar blade (Ayuthaya period). But I could not find picture for that knife.

Here 's another design called "Meed Hnep". The knife 's modern made (not myself

). It has downward hilt but different style and scabbard.

Ian · 24th March 2006, 01:50 PM

Thanks PUFF.

The meed hnep is certainly a familiar (recent) Thai style, but I'm wondering how far back that blade profile goes. Any ideas?

Also, I think there is a Thai military knife with much the same profile issued not long ago. Is that correct?

Ian.

24th March 2006, 06:27 AM	#8
PUFF Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 30 miles north of Bangkok, 20 miles south of Ayuthaya, Thailand Posts: 224	The knife 's not my work. I 'm currently practicing japanese stuff . There are some Siamese knives with downward hilt and similar blade (Ayuthaya period). But I could not find picture for that knife. Here 's another design called "Meed Hnep". The knife 's modern made (not myself ). It has downward hilt but different style and scabbard. Last edited by PUFF; 24th March 2006 at 07:12 AM.

20th March 2006, 05:57 PM	#1
Titus Pullo Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 123	I guess it is a Shan...since the Thais (particularily northern Thai people) are the same people as the Shans. But that can be tricky because people around there particularily the Burmans and the Thai Ayutthayans were influenced by many cultures because of many tradings with foreign merchants. The blade design and scabard seem to be Siamese, but the decorative designs on the scabard and hilt could be Shans (I know very little about Shans arts), or perhaps even Burman or the hill tribes. Or It could be from the Mon people, also. The Mon were the people who set up any major civilization on the mainland Southeast Asia for the first time, and their arts and martial arts influenced the later Khmer empire, Siamese, Burman, Shans, Vietnamese, and so forth. The Mon fought with swords in a similar manner as the Siamese, by decapitating the opponents. In other words...the Mon civilization was the prototype for other mainland Southeast Asian civilization. The Mon themselves were mainly influenced by the Buddhist cultures in India and Ceylon. There are a lot of Mon people, who fled the opressive Burman government, living in Thailand, also.

20th March 2006, 07:18 PM	#2
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	Which knife are you talking about?

20th March 2006, 09:07 PM	#3
Titus Pullo Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 123	I'm talking about the first one.

21st March 2006, 07:19 AM	#4
PUFF Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 30 miles north of Bangkok, 20 miles south of Ayuthaya, Thailand Posts: 224	Here 's newly made Lanna style knife. It 's belong to my friend, Pol.Capt. WabMa. You may notice similar handle and scabbard design. Dear Titus, It 's difficult to tell Myan, Mon, Tai or even Lanna art from this Scabbard. These people were mixed since Pugam (Pagan) period so there are many "borrow" stuff among them.

21st March 2006, 08:23 AM	#5
Titus Pullo Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 123	Thank you, PUFF!

24th March 2006, 01:50 PM	#9
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,399	Thanks PUFF. The meed hnep is certainly a familiar (recent) Thai style, but I'm wondering how far back that blade profile goes. Any ideas? Also, I think there is a Thai military knife with much the same profile issued not long ago. Is that correct? Ian.