What a history

ALEX · 21st September 2017, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by estcrh

Looks like there was originally gold on top of the copper.

Nice close-up. Looks like it was gilded copper kundan. The exposed carving on the ridge looks clean, even and uniform, almost as machine made., does not look 19thC work.

mariusgmioc · 22nd September 2017, 07:35 AM

I find it strange that the stones don't appear to be gems but coloured glass. But the photos can be deceiving.

estcrh · 22nd September 2017, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

I find it strange that the stones don't appear to be gems but coloured glass. But the photos can be deceiving.

You are probably right, maybe gems and gold were removed, with the gems being replaced. But the blade does not appear to be of the quality expected as well in my opinion.

mariusgmioc · 22nd September 2017, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by estcrh

You are probably right, maybe gems and gold were removed, with the gems being replaced. But the blade does not appear to be of the quality expected as well in my opinion.

I was thinking pretty much the same albeit the quality of the photos make the assesment of the blade very difficult.

All in all, this dagger and its story raise more question marks than the pyramids...

ariel · 22nd September 2017, 10:10 PM

Long, long ago somebody on this Forum said: " Buy the sword, not the story".

I still remember it.

Rick · 23rd September 2017, 12:24 AM

Here's an echo.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...+not+the+story

mariusgmioc · 23rd September 2017, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ariel

Long, long ago somebody on this Forum said: " Buy the sword, not the story".

I still remember it.

So much true! Yet, very often people prefer to buy the story.

@ Rick

Didn't see this thread. Made me smile! Reminded me Alan's story about the "flying keris."

ariel · 23rd September 2017, 10:20 AM

Stories are important, especially when we are dealing with historical swords. After all, history is a " (hi)-story":-)

But they need to be substantiated by solid documentation. Then they can legitimately elevate the value ( and the price) of the object many fold. Provenance has its own value, and we all know the examples. Seller's descriptions that are unsubstantiated by any objective evidence usually smell of deceit.

How about we start a thread of real "hi-story- cal" examples ? Something with well-known, -museum,- things, from our own collections or even from auction sales that flew under the radar?

22nd September 2017, 07:35 AM	#2
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,906	I find it strange that the stones don't appear to be gems but coloured glass. But the photos can be deceiving. Last edited by mariusgmioc; 22nd September 2017 at 10:49 AM.

23rd September 2017, 12:24 AM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Wise Words Here's an echo. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...+not+the+story

22nd September 2017, 10:10 PM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Long, long ago somebody on this Forum said: " Buy the sword, not the story". I still remember it.

23rd September 2017, 10:20 AM	#8
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Stories are important, especially when we are dealing with historical swords. After all, history is a " (hi)-story":-) But they need to be substantiated by solid documentation. Then they can legitimately elevate the value ( and the price) of the object many fold. Provenance has its own value, and we all know the examples. Seller's descriptions that are unsubstantiated by any objective evidence usually smell of deceit. How about we start a thread of real "hi-story- cal" examples ? Something with well-known, -museum,- things, from our own collections or even from auction sales that flew under the radar?