My first Keris

Ria · 16th March 2006, 02:59 AM

Hi all,

Regarding the bright metal which has been inserted to the blade, I have one example of it. Refer attached photo, the metal is near to the gonjo. Earlier, I did not realized it, but then, while cleaning the blade, the metal appeared immediately and it become much more brighter. Any opinion, wether the metal has been added later by the previous owner by purposed?

Regards,

Valjhun · 17th March 2006, 04:39 PM

Nechesh and the others, thank you for your kindess.

But how old is my second keris?

Nechnes, yes I'm trying to avoid thoose new kerises

nechesh · 17th March 2006, 05:30 PM

Valjhun, for me the trick isn't to necessarily avoid new keris, just to know what they are when you buy them. I also prefer the older blades, but i have a couple of beautiful modern examples as well and i think it is a good thing to encourage the continuence of the art.

As we have discussed before, dating keris is a tricky thing even with the blade in hand and much harder to do just from photos, even for the well trained experts. Often enough even experts will disagree about the tangguh of a keris and really such dating can only be taken as an estimate. So i am going to avoid making a fool of myself by even guessing on your blade.

I do look foward to seeing your third one when it arrives.

Valjhun · 18th March 2006, 09:31 AM

And here si my third one (and a the last one for some time, I have to study a couple of books about them first, yes I felt into

)...

Balinese this time. I can say only that is vewrry beautiful, nice selut, nice mendak, great ukiran with magnificent patra, pendok damaged, wrangka from verry heavy hardwood. As usually there si questions:

- Type of keris?
- Type of pamor and what brings?
- Who's that angry guy on the ukiran?

Alam Shah · 18th March 2006, 11:21 AM

This is a Balinese keris with 7 Luks.
Balinese Hilt (also known as danganan) is in the form of Bima.
Probably made from ebony wood.

Sheath is in the Balinese ladrang form.
Blade needs cleaning (obviously

).
Pamor is Ngulit Semangko (watermelon skin). It is said to enhance the owner’s material well being. Interesting abstract patterns at the sorsoran area.

nechesh · 18th March 2006, 02:15 PM

Ah,you've moved over to Bali.

Good collecting coice now that you have 2 Jawa keris. Before you ask it, this looks like an old one, though again i will stop short of being too specific. But you don't see too many Bali keris with this amount of age around and i would venture that this one is at least pre-19thC and could be much older.

16th March 2006, 02:59 AM	#1
Ria Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 14	Bright Metal Hi all, Regarding the bright metal which has been inserted to the blade, I have one example of it. Refer attached photo, the metal is near to the gonjo. Earlier, I did not realized it, but then, while cleaning the blade, the metal appeared immediately and it become much more brighter. Any opinion, wether the metal has been added later by the previous owner by purposed? Regards, Attached Images

18th March 2006, 09:31 AM	#4
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	And here si my third one (and a the last one for some time, I have to study a couple of books about them first, yes I felt into )... Balinese this time. I can say only that is vewrry beautiful, nice selut, nice mendak, great ukiran with magnificent patra, pendok damaged, wrangka from verry heavy hardwood. As usually there si questions: - Type of keris? - Type of pamor and what brings? - Who's that angry guy on the ukiran? Attached Images

18th March 2006, 11:21 AM	#5
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	This is a Balinese keris with 7 Luks. Balinese Hilt (also known as danganan) is in the form of Bima. Probably made from ebony wood. Sheath is in the Balinese ladrang form. Blade needs cleaning (obviously ). Pamor is Ngulit Semangko (watermelon skin). It is said to enhance the owner’s material well being. Interesting abstract patterns at the sorsoran area. Last edited by Alam Shah; 18th March 2006 at 01:07 PM. Reason: added more info...

17th March 2006, 04:39 PM	#2
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Nechesh and the others, thank you for your kindess. But how old is my second keris? Nechnes, yes I'm trying to avoid thoose new kerises

17th March 2006, 05:30 PM	#3
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Valjhun, for me the trick isn't to necessarily avoid new keris, just to know what they are when you buy them. I also prefer the older blades, but i have a couple of beautiful modern examples as well and i think it is a good thing to encourage the continuence of the art. As we have discussed before, dating keris is a tricky thing even with the blade in hand and much harder to do just from photos, even for the well trained experts. Often enough even experts will disagree about the tangguh of a keris and really such dating can only be taken as an estimate. So i am going to avoid making a fool of myself by even guessing on your blade. I do look foward to seeing your third one when it arrives.

18th March 2006, 02:15 PM	#6
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Ah,you've moved over to Bali. Good collecting coice now that you have 2 Jawa keris. Before you ask it, this looks like an old one, though again i will stop short of being too specific. But you don't see too many Bali keris with this amount of age around and i would venture that this one is at least pre-19thC and could be much older.