Child Keris

[David]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello Terry,

sorry again, not very well made! How long is it? Maybe a patrem or jimat keris, maybe forged from an old blade? David is correct, a keris selit is a Malay dress keris.

Regards,
Detlef

Detlef, there is a ruler in some of the photos so it looks like it might be about 6 inches long for the blade. I will say that generally patrems are not usually works of high keris art. Could be jimat as well i suppose.

[Terry K]

Gentleman, thank you for your expertise. I have always liked this weapon form but never held on to any. I have fixed the handle as suggested and does look more correct. I am a novice in indigenous people's weapons and appreciate your patience. The piece looked much better before I put wood gold on it. Blade is approximately 4 3/4 inches long. I thought the blade was very nice for how small it is.
Once again, thank you!
Terry

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by David

Detlef, there is a ruler in some of the photos....

Hi David,

I shouldn't comment after a hard working day! I really haven't noticed the ruler!

Regards,
Detlef

[Sajen]

Terry,

have a look to this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=jimat+keris

Regards,
Detlef

[Bejo]

Hello,

From what I know keris for woman or a child is called patrem. Do you have any idea how to determine whether a patrem keris is made for a woman or a child?

Attached is my patrem keris. It is 29 cm long.
Thank you,

Best regards,

Joe

[Jean]

Hello Joe,
If the blade alone is 29 cm long, it is not really a patrem but a short kris IMO. Patrem kris blades are usually about 20 cm long.
Regards

[David]

Originally Posted by Jean

Hello Joe,
If the blade alone is 29 cm long, it is not really a patrem but a short kris IMO. Patrem kris blades are usually about 20 cm long.
Regards

I would agree with this, unless your 29 cm measurement is for the entire keris including the hilt.
Bejo, i don't know of any particular way to determine if an actual patrem was made for a woman or a child.

[Bejo]

Originally Posted by Jean

Hello Joe,
If the blade alone is 29 cm long, it is not really a patrem but a short kris IMO. Patrem kris blades are usually about 20 cm long.
Regards

Originally Posted by David

I would agree with this, unless your 29 cm measurement is for the entire keris including the hilt.
Bejo, i don't know of any particular way to determine if an actual patrem was made for a woman or a child.

Hello,

Thank you for your opinions,
29 cm is from gonjo to the top of wilah.

Any idea how do we call a keris that has smaller size than it's usual tangguh?

Let us say, a Majapahit keris with size 29 cm is quite normal. But, for a Mataram keris 29 cm is quite uncommon. (From my experience, the normal size will be about 34-37cm).

I have tried to compare this keris with other Mataram keris. Although they maybe are from two different Mataram tangguh(In my opinion the small one was younger than the other). The small keris has smaller size of gandik (pejetan and tikel alis) than the normal one. You can check the attached picture below. The normal one has 36,5 cm size.

Thank you,


Best regards,

Joe