Jimat and kudi collection

kai · 21st August 2017, 08:26 PM

Hello Kulino,

Thanks a lot for posting these examples - please keep going!

If you have any ideas/hypotheses how to group some of these, I'd love to hear your thoughts since some features (like utilized iron, etc.) are next to impossible to glean from pics...

Regards,
Kai

Kulino · 22nd August 2017, 07:32 AM

Dear Detlef,
You are right. These Jimat are in mho cundrik.

Kulino · 22nd August 2017, 07:44 AM

Dear Kai,
The grouping for now has been detemined just by the rough shape. We didn't get around to groupe them by metal. We just agreed upon the fact that these are probably genuine and have considerable age. We pondered upon funtion but could not find any ground for the fact that kudi were once 'blade breakers'. There are way too thin an too light so serve that purpose. Look at the ones which have both features of keris and kudi or jimat. There is a area where they share features. This obscures the function even more.

Sajen · 22nd August 2017, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kulino

This obscures the function even more.

Hello Kulino,

I think the function is like the name said, "jimat" (talisman)!

Best regards,
Detlef

Kulino · 22nd August 2017, 07:58 PM

Hi Detlef,
I agree, but there are so many jimat around, in the shape of tosan aji. In fact, in a way they all are jimat. This specific jimat type could refer, as stated somewhere in one of the other strings, to the face of Semar. Could they have a connection to wedung? Were they just for the common people? Is there, as suggested to me, have a specific field, just as the kudi? I was told that the holes in the kudi indicate the reach of it's power. Do all these sajen, jimat and kudi have something in common? At least they do by looking at the way the wesi was used.

Kulino · 23rd August 2017, 10:31 AM

Could there be a relation (looking at the shape) between temuktik and kudi? or is this simularity just pure by chance?

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=23021
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attach...d=169770&stc=1

Kulino · 24th August 2017, 04:33 PM

Dear all,
As it seems there's limited interest for this string. I'll stop posting for now.

22nd August 2017, 07:32 AM	#2
Kulino Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 84	Cundrik Dear Detlef, You are right. These Jimat are in mho cundrik.

22nd August 2017, 07:44 AM	#3
Kulino Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 84	Metal and grouping Dear Kai, The grouping for now has been detemined just by the rough shape. We didn't get around to groupe them by metal. We just agreed upon the fact that these are probably genuine and have considerable age. We pondered upon funtion but could not find any ground for the fact that kudi were once 'blade breakers'. There are way too thin an too light so serve that purpose. Look at the ones which have both features of keris and kudi or jimat. There is a area where they share features. This obscures the function even more. Attached Images

22nd August 2017, 07:58 PM	#5
Kulino Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 84	Jimat as talisman Hi Detlef, I agree, but there are so many jimat around, in the shape of tosan aji. In fact, in a way they all are jimat. This specific jimat type could refer, as stated somewhere in one of the other strings, to the face of Semar. Could they have a connection to wedung? Were they just for the common people? Is there, as suggested to me, have a specific field, just as the kudi? I was told that the holes in the kudi indicate the reach of it's power. Do all these sajen, jimat and kudi have something in common? At least they do by looking at the way the wesi was used.

23rd August 2017, 10:31 AM	#6
Kulino Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 84	Temuktik Could there be a relation (looking at the shape) between temuktik and kudi? or is this simularity just pure by chance? http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=23021 http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attach...d=169770&stc=1 Last edited by Kulino; 23rd August 2017 at 04:02 PM.

24th August 2017, 04:33 PM	#7
Kulino Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 84	Stopping Dear all, As it seems there's limited interest for this string. I'll stop posting for now.

21st August 2017, 08:26 PM	#1
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Kulino, Thanks a lot for posting these examples - please keep going! If you have any ideas/hypotheses how to group some of these, I'd love to hear your thoughts since some features (like utilized iron, etc.) are next to impossible to glean from pics... Regards, Kai