Need Help to Identify Sepuh (Old) / Kamardikan Java Keris

A. G. Maisey · 7th August 2017, 09:19 PM

Gebeg>nggebeg>polish, burnish;

Ulang> ngulang> to do again.

In English:- restore & burnish

Old keris, Jogja.

Bejo · 8th August 2017, 02:20 AM

Thank you for your help

Best regards,

Joe

Jean · 8th August 2017, 09:12 AM

What a mess around the pesi hole!
Regards

Bejo · 8th August 2017, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean

What a mess around the pesi hole!
Regards

Hello Jean,

Yes, I agree with that. Do you have any idea the cause of that scratches?

Thank you,

Best regards,

Joe

A. G. Maisey · 8th August 2017, 10:57 PM

Yeah, the way in which the gonjo has been fixed is a bit untidy, but whoever has done it has probably done the best he could.

From the pics, it looks like the hole was too big, or the pesi too small, so a collar has been made to reduce hole diameter, and then that added collar has been tightened by punching with a drift. This sort of repair is an old one, before we had things like wonder adhesives. In my opinion it is an enhancement to the collectability of the keris, rather than something undesirable:- it tells the story of the keris.

Bejo · 9th August 2017, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Yeah, the way in which the gonjo has been fixed is a bit untidy, but whoever has done it has probably done the best he could.

From the pics, it looks like the hole was too big, or the pesi too small, so a collar has been made to reduce hole diameter, and then that added collar has been tightened by punching with a drift. This sort of repair is an old one, before we had things like wonder adhesives. In my opinion it is an enhancement to the collectability of the keris, rather than something undesirable:- it tells the story of the keris.

Thank you for your explanation. It enlightens me about this keris more.

Best regards,

Joe

Gustav · 9th August 2017, 12:26 PM

Joe, this one with some certainty could be the same maker or workshop. It's obviously unfinished.

With 38,5 a quite sturdy blade, my feeling ist East Java. It's surely not Magetan, yet resembles one in the hand, and Magetan had Yogya roots.

Pre- or after WWII? I don't know. Are there other workshops in East Java besides Magetan, where Keris making didn't stop after WWII? Where?

9th August 2017, 12:26 PM	#7
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,280	Joe, this one with some certainty could be the same maker or workshop. It's obviously unfinished. With 38,5 a quite sturdy blade, my feeling ist East Java. It's surely not Magetan, yet resembles one in the hand, and Magetan had Yogya roots. Pre- or after WWII? I don't know. Are there other workshops in East Java besides Magetan, where Keris making didn't stop after WWII? Where? Attached Images

7th August 2017, 09:19 PM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,019	Gebeg>nggebeg>polish, burnish; Ulang> ngulang> to do again. In English:- restore & burnish Old keris, Jogja.

8th August 2017, 02:20 AM	#2
Bejo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: East Java, Indonesia Posts: 42	Thank you for your help Best regards, Joe

8th August 2017, 09:12 AM	#3
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	What a mess around the pesi hole! Regards

8th August 2017, 10:57 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,019	Yeah, the way in which the gonjo has been fixed is a bit untidy, but whoever has done it has probably done the best he could. From the pics, it looks like the hole was too big, or the pesi too small, so a collar has been made to reduce hole diameter, and then that added collar has been tightened by punching with a drift. This sort of repair is an old one, before we had things like wonder adhesives. In my opinion it is an enhancement to the collectability of the keris, rather than something undesirable:- it tells the story of the keris.