Elegant flintlock musket

fernando · 11th July 2017, 01:30 PM

Fantastic job, corrado

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Marcus den toom · 11th July 2017, 02:45 PM

Amazing work indeed Corrado, thank you very much.
If this is indeed the seal/mongram of Johann Phillipp it could be a gift to him for his appointment as Archbishop's in 1756 when he recieved his pallium. (source Wikipedia)

corrado26 · 11th July 2017, 02:55 PM

May be it was a gift, but perhaps it could have been also an order by himself to have it made by G. Spangenberg
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Marcus den toom · 18th July 2017, 03:17 PM

Hi Corrado, i was looking again at the monogram and was wondering if reads JPL? There is also a cabinet made for him with the monogram JPC. both the extra C an L don t seem to be a third name of Johann Phillip. His father's name was Carl Lothar ... could it be possible the monograms used either name of his father too?

corrado26 · 19th July 2017, 01:48 PM

Sorry, but I cannot see a "C", I see nothing than a J, a P and a L
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Marcus den toom · 19th July 2017, 02:24 PM

Hi Corrado,

The JPC is from a monogram on a Cabinet

https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/collection/BK-16676

It was made by Abraham Roetgen, the best furniture maker in Johann Philip his time.

Other texts concerning Johann Philipp are: "Johann Philipp von Walderdorff was more secular than his predecessors. He was a passionate hunter, loved the luxury, and presented it at his court. "

corrado26 · 20th July 2017, 09:01 AM

The monogram of archbishop Johann Philipp von Walderdorff is undoutablyJPC = Johann Philipp Comes. My mistake, I overlooked the meaning of the "L" on the barrel of your gun.
The monogram on your flintlockgun "JPL" must belong to another owner. The only possible solution for this JPL is Johann Philipp Graf von Lamberg, bishop of the bishopric of Passau in Bavaria between 1689 and 1712. This means that your gun must be much older than said before. The maker thus must have been Georg Daniel Spangenberg, who was born in 1670 and died in 1752.
Sorry for the irritation
corrado26

19th July 2017, 02:24 PM	#6
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 534	Hi Corrado, The JPC is from a monogram on a Cabinet https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/collection/BK-16676 It was made by Abraham Roetgen, the best furniture maker in Johann Philip his time. Other texts concerning Johann Philipp are: "Johann Philipp von Walderdorff was more secular than his predecessors. He was a passionate hunter, loved the luxury, and presented it at his court. " Attached Images

11th July 2017, 01:30 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Fantastic job, corrado .

11th July 2017, 02:45 PM	#2
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 534	Amazing work indeed Corrado, thank you very much. If this is indeed the seal/mongram of Johann Phillipp it could be a gift to him for his appointment as Archbishop's in 1756 when he recieved his pallium. (source Wikipedia)

11th July 2017, 02:55 PM	#3
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,226	May be it was a gift, but perhaps it could have been also an order by himself to have it made by G. Spangenberg corrado26

18th July 2017, 03:17 PM	#4
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 534	Hi Corrado, i was looking again at the monogram and was wondering if reads JPL? There is also a cabinet made for him with the monogram JPC. both the extra C an L don t seem to be a third name of Johann Phillip. His father's name was Carl Lothar ... could it be possible the monograms used either name of his father too?

19th July 2017, 01:48 PM	#5
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,226	Sorry, but I cannot see a "C", I see nothing than a J, a P and a L corrado26

20th July 2017, 09:01 AM	#7
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,226	The monogram of archbishop Johann Philipp von Walderdorff is undoutablyJPC = Johann Philipp Comes. My mistake, I overlooked the meaning of the "L" on the barrel of your gun. The monogram on your flintlockgun "JPL" must belong to another owner. The only possible solution for this JPL is Johann Philipp Graf von Lamberg, bishop of the bishopric of Passau in Bavaria between 1689 and 1712. This means that your gun must be much older than said before. The maker thus must have been Georg Daniel Spangenberg, who was born in 1670 and died in 1752. Sorry for the irritation corrado26