Morocco dagger!

ariel · 6th July 2017, 12:29 PM

I do not like he blade at all.
The rest seems to have some age, but likely well after Beatles:-)
All in all, it looks souvenir-ish to me.
There are a lot of Koummyas on e-bay.
If you want a decently old , traditional and functional one,- continue looking.
All the best.

Hombre · 6th July 2017, 12:57 PM

Thank you very much Ariel for your opinions. I really appreciate it.
This is one of the reasons why I really love this forum.

Please, tell me, Ariel, why do you not like this blade.... I really want to learn...

"If you want a decently old , traditional and functional one"

Yes, that is what I want....
Maybe a good beginning should be to try to find books about these kind of daggers before buying.... and of course, read on this forum about them....

Does anyone have a suggestion when it comes to books about these daggers....

Best,
Stefan
Sweden

mariusgmioc · 6th July 2017, 02:31 PM

Hello Stefan,

Not only the blade, but also the hilt with the kitchish red "gem" is shouting: "kitch for unsuspecting tourists!"

You can start just browsing the web and looking at the photos for "koummya dagger." In the photos, you can examine differences in the quality of materials and mostly workmanship.

Better yet, just have a look at the very educative article right on this forum:

www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/koummya/index.html

corrado26 · 6th July 2017, 03:32 PM

I think, that this was an older koummya because the scabbard is looking good. But the old hilt was obviously missing and the original blade broken. or rusty So they added a frankly said cruel new hilt and a bad blade. Just good for the dustbin
corrado26

Hombre · 6th July 2017, 09:01 PM

Thank you all!

I will continue looking!

Best,
Stefan

motan · 6th July 2017, 09:12 PM

Hi Stefan,
Unfortunately, I have to agree with Ariel and mariusgmioc. This is a tourist piece. You can read a very recent thread over koummya that I started about 10 days ago and many others have contributed knowledge, sources and some very good examples.

shayde78 · 6th July 2017, 10:17 PM

I am by NO means an expert (novice is more accurate). Still, here are my two cents

I agree the scabbard seems of better quality that the rest. I think when Ariel indicates an issue with the blade, the issue is it appears to be pretty two-dimensional. There doesn't seem to be much of a clear bevel, and the cross section seems consistent with thin bar stock/sheet steel. Rather than being forged, it was probably ground down to shape. The hilt seems overdone with the nail heads and the 'gem'. There might be some components of the hilt with some age, but I suspect the nails and gem are much more recent embellishments. Take a look at the second set of pictures here, for some guidance on exactly this topic: http://vikingsword.com/ethsword/guide.html

As to your original question of "is this dagger a good start", that is up to you. If the price is right, and you have an idea of what you're actually getting, this could be a good start, and will give you a sense of what to look for in future items you might like to pick up.

Good luck!

Jim McDougall · 7th July 2017, 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shayde78

I am by NO means an expert (novice is more accurate). Still, here are my two cents

I agree the scabbard seems of better quality that the rest. I think when Ariel indicates an issue with the blade, the issue is it appears to be pretty two-dimensional. There doesn't seem to be much of a clear bevel, and the cross section seems consistent with thin bar stock/sheet steel. Rather than being forged, it was probably ground down to shape. The hilt seems overdone with the nail heads and the 'gem'. There might be some components of the hilt with some age, but I suspect the nails and gem are much more recent embellishments. Take a look at the second set of pictures here, for some guidance on exactly this topic: http://vikingsword.com/ethsword/guide.html

As to your original question of "is this dagger a good start", that is up to you. If the price is right, and you have an idea of what you're actually getting, this could be a good start, and will give you a sense of what to look for in future items you might like to pick up.

Good luck!

Shayde, that is beautifully explained, which is excellent in helping in understanding the dynamics which lead to the proper evaluation of this dagger. Although not of course the assessment Hombre had likely hoped for, it is truly helpful to have these insights, which is most informative for us all.

It is often very difficult to identify many weapons forms and their variants, and helps a great deal when such details considered are explained.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 8th July 2017, 12:03 AM

Please see http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=22848 which is the forum site Motan is referring to... Your pictures show a dagger made with a hot needle in tailoring terms !! ... thus you will be better off waiting to see a better one ... with more skill in the making.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

6th July 2017, 12:29 PM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I do not like he blade at all. The rest seems to have some age, but likely well after Beatles:-) All in all, it looks souvenir-ish to me. There are a lot of Koummyas on e-bay. If you want a decently old , traditional and functional one,- continue looking. All the best.

6th July 2017, 12:57 PM	#2
Hombre Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 232	Thank you very much Ariel for your opinions. I really appreciate it. This is one of the reasons why I really love this forum. Please, tell me, Ariel, why do you not like this blade.... I really want to learn... "If you want a decently old , traditional and functional one" Yes, that is what I want.... Maybe a good beginning should be to try to find books about these kind of daggers before buying.... and of course, read on this forum about them.... Does anyone have a suggestion when it comes to books about these daggers.... Best, Stefan Sweden

6th July 2017, 02:31 PM	#3
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,911	Hello Stefan, Not only the blade, but also the hilt with the kitchish red "gem" is shouting: "kitch for unsuspecting tourists!" You can start just browsing the web and looking at the photos for "koummya dagger." In the photos, you can examine differences in the quality of materials and mostly workmanship. Better yet, just have a look at the very educative article right on this forum: www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/koummya/index.html

6th July 2017, 03:32 PM	#4
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,231	I think, that this was an older koummya because the scabbard is looking good. But the old hilt was obviously missing and the original blade broken. or rusty So they added a frankly said cruel new hilt and a bad blade. Just good for the dustbin corrado26

6th July 2017, 09:01 PM	#5
Hombre Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 232	Thank you all! I will continue looking! Best, Stefan

6th July 2017, 09:12 PM	#6
motan Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Jerusalem Posts: 274	Hi Stefan, Unfortunately, I have to agree with Ariel and mariusgmioc. This is a tourist piece. You can read a very recent thread over koummya that I started about 10 days ago and many others have contributed knowledge, sources and some very good examples.

6th July 2017, 10:17 PM	#7
shayde78 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 445	I am by NO means an expert (novice is more accurate). Still, here are my two cents I agree the scabbard seems of better quality that the rest. I think when Ariel indicates an issue with the blade, the issue is it appears to be pretty two-dimensional. There doesn't seem to be much of a clear bevel, and the cross section seems consistent with thin bar stock/sheet steel. Rather than being forged, it was probably ground down to shape. The hilt seems overdone with the nail heads and the 'gem'. There might be some components of the hilt with some age, but I suspect the nails and gem are much more recent embellishments. Take a look at the second set of pictures here, for some guidance on exactly this topic: http://vikingsword.com/ethsword/guide.html As to your original question of "is this dagger a good start", that is up to you. If the price is right, and you have an idea of what you're actually getting, this could be a good start, and will give you a sense of what to look for in future items you might like to pick up. Good luck!

8th July 2017, 12:03 AM	#9
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Please see http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=22848 which is the forum site Motan is referring to... Your pictures show a dagger made with a hot needle in tailoring terms !! ... thus you will be better off waiting to see a better one ... with more skill in the making. Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi.