An amazing pirate collection!

M ELEY · 23rd June 2017, 08:13 AM

Broadsides and articles dating to the Age of Fighting Sail and piracy!!

All pics copyright China Sea Trading Company.

M ELEY · 23rd June 2017, 08:16 AM

Lantaka, Portuguese petrarro? Nice swivel/rail gun! A small coehorn cannon. Note the bar shot, chain shot and ultra rare spike shot (17th c. back to Elizabeth's sea rovers!)

Thanks again, Bunker, for allowing me to post these!
All pics are copyright China Sea Trading Co.

M ELEY · 23rd June 2017, 08:38 AM

Manacles and restraints from Age of Sail, both a hint at the slave trade and the Pirate Round.

Note some of the goodies in front of this rack of long guns. I see a nice Chinese dau, a Kybele rifle, several eagle head Amer swords.

colin henshaw · 25th June 2017, 06:45 AM

[QUOTE=M ELEY]Manacles and restraints from Age of Sail, both a hint at the slave trade and the Pirate Round.

Hi Mark, thanks for posting this interesting thread.

The shackles with the long bar, third from the left, are the type that were often used in the West African slave trade.

Regards.

M ELEY · 25th June 2017, 08:37 AM

Thank you, Colin, for that clarification. I suppose the others still fit in with the imprisonment of said rascals when the pirates were caught!

Norman McCormick · 25th June 2017, 03:25 PM

Maybe me and my old oak coffer will take to the high seas once more.

Weapons obviously later than the above but maybe some bits have seen service at sea.

Coffer once had a lining of period written documents but mostly gone now.

Regards,
Norman.

fernando · 24th June 2017, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by M ELEY

...Lantaka, Portuguese petrarro? ...

Portuguese ? maybe not; we made them, they made them ... you never know, if not marked. But certainly not a 'petriero', the Italian term for 'pedreiro', a term used for earlier guns that shot stone projectiles; sorry being a brainpicker

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Originally Posted by M ELEY

... No, 'Nando, that isn't a multi-barrel handgunne. It's just an antique curling iron! ...

A curling iron ?

; can you elaborate ? The shape is so similar (to my eyes) to that in picture #12 ...

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Originally Posted by M ELEY

...Thought you might like some of his swivels and iron barrel guns...

Oh, i like several things in there; the cannons, the barrels, the shackles ... you name it.

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Originally Posted by M ELEY

In particular that long 6 sided barrel standing upright in pic #13. What do you think? A handgunne or simply a barrel from a large musketoon?...

Good question. Easier to identify if pictured in different angle/s. Maybe something in between ... like an haquebut barrel ...

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M ELEY · 24th June 2017, 11:19 AM

Ha ha! Got you, my friend! I was just kidding about that multi-barrel handgunne. You were correct in identifying it and I was just having some fun.
Petriero, eh? I don't know my cannons so well.

So what are your thoughts on that ivory handled dagger with wedge shaped blade? I was thinking Corsican or Venetian, like the vindetta daggers.

fernando · 24th June 2017, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by M ELEY

...Ha ha! Got you, my friend! I was just kidding about that multi-barrel handgunne. You were correct in identifying it and I was just having some fun...

My turn next time

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Originally Posted by M ELEY

...So what are your thoughts on that ivory handled dagger with wedge shaped blade? I was thinking Corsican or Venetian, like the vindetta daggers.

I wouldn't know Mark, but as i see it, it could even be an old sailor's knife; a senior sailor, judging by the handle ... which could be bone and not ivory, anyhow !

broadaxe · 24th June 2017, 06:21 PM

That small dagger/knife is a generic west-Mediterranean dirk, carried by both sailors and land people along the shores of Spain, France, Italy and the islands nearby.
The two objects in the 1st photo are not sextants but its direct forefather, the octant (with apparently original cases, very cool!).

M ELEY · 25th June 2017, 04:22 AM

Opps! So you are right, Broadaxe! Octants they are. Thanks for the dagger info. Fernando and you both astutely identified it and makes sense it would be in his collection. Thought you might like the pics.

Now...where's Jim?

Rick · 25th June 2017, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

Portuguese ? maybe not; we made them, they made them ... you never know, if not marked. But certainly not a 'petriero', the Italian term for 'pedreiro', a term used for earlier guns that shot stone projectiles; sorry being a brainpicker

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A curling iron ?

; can you elaborate ? The shape is so similar (to my eyes) to that in picture #12 ...

Oh, i like several things in there; the cannons, the barrels, the shackles ... you name it.

Good question. Easier to identify if pictured in different angle/s. Maybe something in between ... like an haquebut barrel ...

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That 3 barreled item may be out of place.
A antique dealer friend bought a half dozen of those at the Brimfield flea market 2 years ago.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=hand+cannon

fernando · 25th June 2017, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

That 3 barreled item may be out of place.
A antique dealer friend bought a half dozen of those at the Brimfield flea market 2 years ago.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=hand+cannon

I wasn't registering such an inconsistency, Rick. Apparently its owner sailed the China seas; might have bought a few in a Macau ... flea market

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M ELEY · 26th June 2017, 12:38 AM

Nice old chest, Norman! The perfect coffer for your treasure trove!

fernando · 26th June 2017, 11:45 AM

Very nice ark, Norman ... and promising contents

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No doubt it would be worth the double, if the lining with the period handwritten documents was all still there

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23rd June 2017, 08:16 AM	#2
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,159	And now for the really big pirate guns!!! Lantaka, Portuguese petrarro? Nice swivel/rail gun! A small coehorn cannon. Note the bar shot, chain shot and ultra rare spike shot (17th c. back to Elizabeth's sea rovers!) Thanks again, Bunker, for allowing me to post these! All pics are copyright China Sea Trading Co. Attached Images Last edited by M ELEY; 23rd June 2017 at 08:43 AM.

23rd June 2017, 08:38 AM	#3
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,159	Manacles and restraints from Age of Sail, both a hint at the slave trade and the Pirate Round. Note some of the goodies in front of this rack of long guns. I see a nice Chinese dau, a Kybele rifle, several eagle head Amer swords. Attached Images

25th June 2017, 03:25 PM	#6
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,618	Maybe me and my old oak coffer will take to the high seas once more. Weapons obviously later than the above but maybe some bits have seen service at sea. Coffer once had a lining of period written documents but mostly gone now. Regards, Norman. Attached Images Last edited by Norman McCormick; 25th June 2017 at 03:46 PM.

23rd June 2017, 08:13 AM	#1
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,159	Broadsides and articles dating to the Age of Fighting Sail and piracy!! All pics copyright China Sea Trading Company. Attached Images

25th June 2017, 06:45 AM	#4
colin henshaw Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,429	[QUOTE=M ELEY]Manacles and restraints from Age of Sail, both a hint at the slave trade and the Pirate Round. Hi Mark, thanks for posting this interesting thread. The shackles with the long bar, third from the left, are the type that were often used in the West African slave trade. Regards.

25th June 2017, 08:37 AM	#5
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,159	Thank you, Colin, for that clarification. I suppose the others still fit in with the imprisonment of said rascals when the pirates were caught!

24th June 2017, 11:19 AM	#8
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,159	Ha ha! Got you, my friend! I was just kidding about that multi-barrel handgunne. You were correct in identifying it and I was just having some fun. Petriero, eh? I don't know my cannons so well. So what are your thoughts on that ivory handled dagger with wedge shaped blade? I was thinking Corsican or Venetian, like the vindetta daggers.

24th June 2017, 06:21 PM	#10
broadaxe Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 334	That small dagger/knife is a generic west-Mediterranean dirk, carried by both sailors and land people along the shores of Spain, France, Italy and the islands nearby. The two objects in the 1st photo are not sextants but its direct forefather, the octant (with apparently original cases, very cool!).

25th June 2017, 04:22 AM	#11
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,159	Opps! So you are right, Broadaxe! Octants they are. Thanks for the dagger info. Fernando and you both astutely identified it and makes sense it would be in his collection. Thought you might like the pics. Now...where's Jim?

26th June 2017, 12:38 AM	#14
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,159	Nice old chest, Norman! The perfect coffer for your treasure trove!

26th June 2017, 11:45 AM	#15
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Very nice ark, Norman ... and promising contents . No doubt it would be worth the double, if the lining with the period handwritten documents was all still there .