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Old 10th June 2017, 12:06 AM   #1
Timo Nieminen
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Superficially, it looks like a modern Chinese-made "ninja sword". Straight, 20"/50cm blade, tang a suitable length for mounting with a 12" tsuka/hilt. The habaki looks very much like those used on modern Chinese-made katana (and ninja swords).

However, if it's from the 1950s, this isn't what it is. Also, the details of the tip are not like the modern Chinese-made ninja swords.

The tang has no hole for a pin, so it hasn't been mounted Japanese-style. It's either been left as a bare blade or was mounted with the tang glued-in, SE Asian style rather than Japanese-style (pinned). If it was mounted, why is the rust so uniform? So maybe never mounted.

So, some speculations:
  • Modern Chinese-made ninja sword blade, never mounted, artificially aged - unusual for the tip to be modified in this kind of fakery
  • Old SE Asian ninja sword made for tourist sale c. 1950 - the habaki looks very modern in style; the old SE Asian (mostly Indonesian?) replicas/fakes used different styles of habaki
  • Old SE Asian imitation-Japanese cane/stick sword, c. 1950 - habaki is still a bit of a mystery
  • Old Japanese cane/stick sword, age inconnu - AFAIK, these would usually have been pinned. Maybe some were glued.

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The length of the tang suggests to me that this may be a polearm blade. Referring to Knutsen's Japanese Spears: Polearms and their Use in Old Japan I see some similarity to a kikuchi-yari in fig. 17. As previously noted, it may also be a form from elsewhere in the region.
It's a normal length of tang for an 11" or 12" tsuka (which is long for a blade as short as this, traditionally, but common on modern Chinese-made blades).

Very short for a kikuchi-yari tang; plate 3 in Knutsen shows a typical one.
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Old 10th June 2017, 09:28 AM   #2
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Good morning friends,

Thank's for your help !

Unfortunately I think Timo said all about this blade, this is probably a copy !

I bought it to a non-collector but it's not a guarantee of authenticity, fortunately I haven't paid high price so this is the price of the knowledge

So thank's again to share your knowledge with me, it's everytime a great pleasure to learn !

Best regards,
Clement
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Old 17th June 2017, 08:59 PM   #3
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I agree, definitely not a real nihonto (Japanese sword).

For comparison, a picture of the blade of a 14th century Kikuchi Yari, greatly shortened to be mounted as a tanto (dagger).
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Old 18th June 2017, 09:27 AM   #4
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Very short for a kikuchi-yari tang; plate 3 in Knutsen shows a typical one.
I have two ubu (uncut) kikuchi yari, both are mounted, one has a long tang, the other does not. With so few known uncut examples it is hard to know what was "typical".




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