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David · 20th April 2017, 05:25 AM

Alan, please don't interpret my enquiry as a sign that i disapprove of keris adapted to old sheaths. As you must know, i hold many such keris in my personal collection and hold those keris in high esteem. Especially when the re-fit is artfully accomplished. I asked Arjuna you show the fit simply to learn more about this keris, if the sheath is original to the blade or, if adapted, how well and by what methods.
I'm pleased to hear you believe the naga to be original to the blade. I have less tolerance for those adaptations than the fitting of sheaths.

A. G. Maisey · 20th April 2017, 05:43 AM

David, I am not interpreting anything that you have written as disapproval of anything.

When I say "many people", I mean precisely that:- many people, mostly people who have read the books, looked at the pictures but have very little first hand experience of how difficult it can be to acquire a technically perfect keris, especially when some artistic merit and/or age is a part of the equation.

I think you have been collecting for long enough to understand the situation perfectly.

Arjuna · 20th April 2017, 03:15 PM

Thanks for your expertise!
So it is what I tought, no special keris, no scrap, but a fair and authentic example of an average keris.

Just one remark (maybe due to my lack of English): The comparison with the “reuse of high quality women to not waste them” is a bit of a hard stuff for me …

Regards Karl

A. G. Maisey · 20th April 2017, 10:25 PM

Please accept my most sincere apologies for offending your delicate sensibilities Karl.

However, when we engage in discussion of the keris, we unavoidably involve ourselves in the discussion of the societal mores of a place, and in reality, a time, that is not really governed by the same or even similar customs and conventions as those to which many of us may be heir.

satsujinken · 22nd April 2017, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Arjuna

Thanks for your expertise!
So it is what I tought, no special keris, no scrap, but a fair and authentic example of an average keris.

Just one remark (maybe due to my lack of English): The comparison with the “reuse of high quality women to not waste them” is a bit of a hard stuff for me …

Regards Karl

don't think about it too much, Karl

the values we held today is very much different than what they held during their time

Donny

A. G. Maisey · 22nd April 2017, 05:04 AM

Very true Donny --- regrettably

Arjuna · 24th April 2017, 07:55 AM

Well, I did not intend to offend or correct you Alan, obviously I didnt get the reference to older times.

In some ways its regrettable that times and manners are changing, in others it isnt ...

A. G. Maisey · 24th April 2017, 09:33 AM

You did not offend me in the slightest degree Karl.

Yes, I was thinking in terms of times past when I was writing, but upon reflection, I cannot see any contradiction in what I wrote if I think in terms of the segment of society in which I live when I am in Jawa.

Nothing is wasted.

I mean nothing at all.

20th April 2017, 05:25 AM	#1
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,237	Alan, please don't interpret my enquiry as a sign that i disapprove of keris adapted to old sheaths. As you must know, i hold many such keris in my personal collection and hold those keris in high esteem. Especially when the re-fit is artfully accomplished. I asked Arjuna you show the fit simply to learn more about this keris, if the sheath is original to the blade or, if adapted, how well and by what methods. I'm pleased to hear you believe the naga to be original to the blade. I have less tolerance for those adaptations than the fitting of sheaths.

20th April 2017, 05:43 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	David, I am not interpreting anything that you have written as disapproval of anything. When I say "many people", I mean precisely that:- many people, mostly people who have read the books, looked at the pictures but have very little first hand experience of how difficult it can be to acquire a technically perfect keris, especially when some artistic merit and/or age is a part of the equation. I think you have been collecting for long enough to understand the situation perfectly.

20th April 2017, 03:15 PM	#3
Arjuna Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Vienna Posts: 17	Thanks for your expertise! So it is what I tought, no special keris, no scrap, but a fair and authentic example of an average keris. Just one remark (maybe due to my lack of English): The comparison with the “reuse of high quality women to not waste them” is a bit of a hard stuff for me … Regards Karl

20th April 2017, 10:25 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	Please accept my most sincere apologies for offending your delicate sensibilities Karl. However, when we engage in discussion of the keris, we unavoidably involve ourselves in the discussion of the societal mores of a place, and in reality, a time, that is not really governed by the same or even similar customs and conventions as those to which many of us may be heir.

22nd April 2017, 05:04 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	Very true Donny --- regrettably

24th April 2017, 07:55 AM	#7
Arjuna Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Vienna Posts: 17	Well, I did not intend to offend or correct you Alan, obviously I didnt get the reference to older times. In some ways its regrettable that times and manners are changing, in others it isnt ...

24th April 2017, 09:33 AM	#8
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	You did not offend me in the slightest degree Karl. Yes, I was thinking in terms of times past when I was writing, but upon reflection, I cannot see any contradiction in what I wrote if I think in terms of the segment of society in which I live when I am in Jawa. Nothing is wasted. I mean nothing at all.