A rapier by Pietro Hernandez

Foxbat · 11th April 2017, 05:07 AM

I believe the sword in question is a composite piece, the guard appears to be an Italian munition-grade one, the blade is of better quality. One most likely could see non-original peening on the pommel.

Fernando's rapier seems to be an all-original solid piece of good quality. Would be nice to see the blade.

Cerjak · 11th April 2017, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxbat

I believe the sword in question is a composite piece, the guard appears to be an Italian munition-grade one, the blade is of better quality. One most likely could see non-original peening on the pommel.

Fernando's rapier seems to be an all-original solid piece of good quality. Would be nice to see the blade.

Composite ?
The blade is fitting perfectly like a glove in the quillon block .
There is no sign that the blade and hilt have been separated The tang button seem perfect as it should be.
The rest of gilding decoration on the hilt and pommel in order to have a nice looking hilt to match with this beautiful blade.
The style of hilt and blade are both correct for period and can be from the same period.
Other German rapier with beautiful blade in the MET.
http://www.metmuseum.org/art/collect...ch/34787?img=1
BEST

CERJAK

Foxbat · 11th April 2017, 03:01 PM

The one in the last picture is a very different sword.

Cerjak · 11th April 2017, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxbat

The one in the last picture is a very different sword.

of course the hilt is different type but the blade geometry is quite similar

Foxbat · 11th April 2017, 03:38 PM

Yes, but that was very typical (don't want to use the word common) style at the time, with many blades of that style also made in Germany. The main reason I think it is a composite (without being able to actually see it in person) is the large discrepancy in the quality of the blade and the hilt, and the poor fit of the hilt parts. But of course you have the benefit of having it in your hand, I am just commenting on the pictures I see.

Cerjak · 11th April 2017, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxbat

The one in the last picture is a very different sword.

I don't see any problem with this pommel

fernando · 11th April 2017, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxbat

... Fernando's rapier seems to be an all-original solid piece of good quality. Would be nice to see the blade.

Lousy pictures; not so good as those taken by Jean-Luc

Foxbat · 11th April 2017, 03:56 PM

Very nice rapier, I have a somewhat similar piece.

fernando · 11th April 2017, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxbat

Very nice rapier, I have a somewhat similar piece.

Very nice; who is the smith ?

Foxbat · 11th April 2017, 04:35 PM

I was not able to determine, but thare is what appears to be a wolf mark on both sides, so likely a Solingen blade.

Jim McDougall · 11th April 2017, 10:12 PM

This seems to me a most unusual rendition of what purports to be the 'running wolf' of Passau, later Solingen. While these marks, while indeterminate as far as actual significance symbolically, certainly do appear in varied, almost abstract sometimes, configurations....this one seems to face the opposite direction from most I have seen. I am not saying this is not a Solingen rendition, just that it is very atypical from most I have seen.

Foxbat · 11th April 2017, 10:32 PM

Well, if you ask me, it looks more like a mule, than anything else, but I am not sure that was the idea.

Here's the other side.

Cerjak · 11th April 2017, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by fernando

Lousy pictures; not so good as those taken by Jean-Luc

Fernando

In Portugal you have sun so good light ,you should try with day light.
Or you could send me your best swords but I'm not sure that I will send you back !

Best
Jean-Luc

fernando · 11th April 2017, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerjak

Fernando

In Portugal you have sun so good light ,you should try with day light.
Or you could send me your best swords but I'm not sure that I will send you back !

Best
Jean-Luc

The problem is not the light, but the photographer's ability and his modest equipment. Ah ... mon cher, i would only risk to send you my swords linked to a rope

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11th April 2017, 03:56 PM	#8
Foxbat Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 69	Very nice rapier, I have a somewhat similar piece. Attached Images

11th April 2017, 04:35 PM	#10
Foxbat Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 69	I was not able to determine, but thare is what appears to be a wolf mark on both sides, so likely a Solingen blade. Attached Images

11th April 2017, 10:32 PM	#12
Foxbat Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 69	Well, if you ask me, it looks more like a mule, than anything else, but I am not sure that was the idea. Here's the other side. Attached Images

11th April 2017, 05:07 AM	#1
Foxbat Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 69	I believe the sword in question is a composite piece, the guard appears to be an Italian munition-grade one, the blade is of better quality. One most likely could see non-original peening on the pommel. Fernando's rapier seems to be an all-original solid piece of good quality. Would be nice to see the blade.

11th April 2017, 03:01 PM	#3
Foxbat Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 69	The one in the last picture is a very different sword.

11th April 2017, 03:38 PM	#5
Foxbat Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 69	Yes, but that was very typical (don't want to use the word common) style at the time, with many blades of that style also made in Germany. The main reason I think it is a composite (without being able to actually see it in person) is the large discrepancy in the quality of the blade and the hilt, and the poor fit of the hilt parts. But of course you have the benefit of having it in your hand, I am just commenting on the pictures I see.

11th April 2017, 10:12 PM	#11
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,670	This seems to me a most unusual rendition of what purports to be the 'running wolf' of Passau, later Solingen. While these marks, while indeterminate as far as actual significance symbolically, certainly do appear in varied, almost abstract sometimes, configurations....this one seems to face the opposite direction from most I have seen. I am not saying this is not a Solingen rendition, just that it is very atypical from most I have seen.