Some doubts about european sword , german ?

Jim McDougall · 10th April 2017, 06:00 AM

Glen and Redline, spot on!!! Clemens & Jung, and as Lee astutely observed of course, a 19th century military blade. I agree this is most likely a theatrical item , and the much earlier period(s) purported by the hilt elements composite with a number at the forte (109) consistent with these kinds of circumstances with sword commerce in these times.

Lee, I very much related to the tale of the dealers who preyed on young collectors back in those days (for me mid 60s into 70s) and were masters of embellished stories to hawk their weapons. I too recall being hoodwinked out of some great items which were dismissed essentially as 'junk', only to discover years later to my dismay what they really were.
One of my most mourned losses was ....an espada ancha !!

Carlos, please know that while this sword may be a later theatrical piece, these are very much antiquities in their own right, and this may have been part of a famed theatrical group or theater in the late 19th c. There have been many remarkable items thought to be authentically early Spanish from areas here in the Southwest which have turned out to be theatrical yet have their own unique historical appeal.

corrado26 · 10th April 2017, 07:11 AM

The lion mark on the ricasso of the blade is the acceptance mark of the ministry of war of Hessen-Darmstadt in Germany.
corrado26

Foxbat · 11th April 2017, 03:59 AM

This is a poor quality late 19th century decorative piece in the Styrian style. Styria is the state in south-eastern part of Austria.

10th April 2017, 06:00 AM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,195	Glen and Redline, spot on!!! Clemens & Jung, and as Lee astutely observed of course, a 19th century military blade. I agree this is most likely a theatrical item , and the much earlier period(s) purported by the hilt elements composite with a number at the forte (109) consistent with these kinds of circumstances with sword commerce in these times. Lee, I very much related to the tale of the dealers who preyed on young collectors back in those days (for me mid 60s into 70s) and were masters of embellished stories to hawk their weapons. I too recall being hoodwinked out of some great items which were dismissed essentially as 'junk', only to discover years later to my dismay what they really were. One of my most mourned losses was ....an espada ancha !! Carlos, please know that while this sword may be a later theatrical piece, these are very much antiquities in their own right, and this may have been part of a famed theatrical group or theater in the late 19th c. There have been many remarkable items thought to be authentically early Spanish from areas here in the Southwest which have turned out to be theatrical yet have their own unique historical appeal.

10th April 2017, 07:11 AM	#2
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,226	The lion mark on the ricasso of the blade is the acceptance mark of the ministry of war of Hessen-Darmstadt in Germany. corrado26

11th April 2017, 03:59 AM	#3
Foxbat Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 69	This is a poor quality late 19th century decorative piece in the Styrian style. Styria is the state in south-eastern part of Austria.