Shin Gunto 95-98 real ? kanjis translations on blade welcomed

francantolin · 10th March 2017, 09:53 PM

another glyphe:

mariusgmioc · 10th March 2017, 10:32 PM

An unsharpened blade points almost certainly to a fake/repro.

The kanji also look very strange and un-Japanese.

Rich · 10th March 2017, 10:40 PM

I respectfully disagree. Looks totally correct for a Showa era (so dated) shingunto. I think is reads Kanenori as the maker.

Rich

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Japanese Sword Guide
http://www.japaneseswordindex.com/nihonto.htm

francantolin · 10th March 2017, 10:59 PM

Hello, thank you, I ll try to do pictures of better quality for the kanjis/signature on the tang. I read that officier gunto sword where sometimes unsharpened , more representation sword rather than made for war...

Battara · 11th March 2017, 04:46 AM

You might be right, but I have never found an unsharpened gunto blade.

I wonder if I also see a fuzzy seki stamp on the upper right of the tang. If so, this would certainly not be a fake but a true gunto.

Can't tell by the pictures but it would be great if this were gendai, although the seki stamp makes this unlikely.

francantolin · 11th March 2017, 05:46 AM

Hello, thank you,
Yes, a friend told me the small stamp is for seki / showa period
( why I thought and see more an ''industrial'' blade ).
I^ll ( try) to post better quality pictures.

francantolin · 11th March 2017, 08:41 AM

Better pictures !
Holy daylight !!

asomotif · 12th March 2017, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

An unsharpened blade points almost certainly to a fake/repro.

The kanji also look very strange and un-Japanese.

I also have great difficulty with the kanji on this sword...
I really can not make anything out of it.
They could be chinese or even korean in my opinion.

But hey, that is probably due to my lack of knowledge of the japanese language.

Rich : arigatou gozaimasu
Francantolin : omedetou !

pbleed · 12th March 2017, 10:54 PM

Dr. Stein is correct. this is a Japanese gunto made in August 1943 by a cutlerer named Kanenori. He was a an established producer of military swords. This sword is a wirthy example of wartime swords. The point may have been abused, but overall the the condition is not bad. Post thsi sword on the Niponto Message board anf you will get a fuller account.
Peter

mariusgmioc · 12th March 2017, 11:25 PM

I think our colleague meant Nihonto Message Board...

... and here is the link:

http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/

But please let us know what you find out!

Good luck!

Marius

PS: I'm still pretty sure it's fake.

francantolin · 13th March 2017, 12:09 AM

It was an answer and question to Asomotif, I haven't seen the message of Peter before !, Thank you Peter !! I will post it on the Nihonto forum. ( didn't know before ans seems really interesting !!) U will tell you what will Come out...

francantolin · 13th March 2017, 04:56 PM

Yes !!!
Real one !
dated August 1944,
Kanenori

francantolin · 12th March 2017, 11:21 PM

Thank's for the congratulations !...

))

Yes not sure, that's why I didn't pay it much money,
if it's a fake, it's a really nice one, all details seems ok !
( I think in auctions sometimes they will sell fakes for true ones !)

have you pictures of korean copy for compare?
It can't be a chines fake, they are to basics.

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francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 905	another glyphe: Attached Images

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francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 905	Better pictures ! Holy daylight !! Attached Images

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mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,906	An unsharpened blade points almost certainly to a fake/repro. The kanji also look very strange and un-Japanese.

10th March 2017, 10:40 PM	#3
Rich Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: comfortably at home, USA Posts: 432	I respectfully disagree. Looks totally correct for a Showa era (so dated) shingunto. I think is reads Kanenori as the maker. Rich ------------------------------------------------------- Richard Stein, PhD, FAIC Japanese Sword Guide http://www.japaneseswordindex.com/nihonto.htm

10th March 2017, 10:59 PM	#4
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 905	Hello, thank you, I ll try to do pictures of better quality for the kanjis/signature on the tang. I read that officier gunto sword where sometimes unsharpened , more representation sword rather than made for war...

11th March 2017, 04:46 AM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	You might be right, but I have never found an unsharpened gunto blade. I wonder if I also see a fuzzy seki stamp on the upper right of the tang. If so, this would certainly not be a fake but a true gunto. Can't tell by the pictures but it would be great if this were gendai, although the seki stamp makes this unlikely.

11th March 2017, 05:46 AM	#6
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 905	Hello, thank you, Yes, a friend told me the small stamp is for seki / showa period ( why I thought and see more an ''industrial'' blade ). I^ll ( try) to post better quality pictures.

12th March 2017, 10:54 PM	#9
pbleed Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Little Rock, Arkansas Posts: 88	Dr. Stein is correct. this is a Japanese gunto made in August 1943 by a cutlerer named Kanenori. He was a an established producer of military swords. This sword is a wirthy example of wartime swords. The point may have been abused, but overall the the condition is not bad. Post thsi sword on the Niponto Message board anf you will get a fuller account. Peter

12th March 2017, 11:25 PM	#10
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,906	I think our colleague meant Nihonto Message Board... ... and here is the link: http://www.militaria.co.za/nmb/ But please let us know what you find out! Good luck! Marius PS: I'm still pretty sure it's fake.

13th March 2017, 12:09 AM	#11
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 905	It was an answer and question to Asomotif, I haven't seen the message of Peter before !, Thank you Peter !! I will post it on the Nihonto forum. ( didn't know before ans seems really interesting !!) U will tell you what will Come out...

13th March 2017, 04:56 PM	#12
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 905	Yes !!! Real one ! dated August 1944, Kanenori

12th March 2017, 11:21 PM	#13
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 905	Thank's for the congratulations !... )) Yes not sure, that's why I didn't pay it much money, if it's a fake, it's a really nice one, all details seems ok ! ( I think in auctions sometimes they will sell fakes for true ones !) have you pictures of korean copy for compare? It can't be a chines fake, they are to basics.