Is it a real sword or a fantasy??

Roland_M · 9th February 2017, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

Is it a real sword or a fantasy??
Like a cleaver / pala... should be a fantasy...

Hello,

I was sure, that I already have seen the point of this sword. It took some hours but now I know where. It is the point of a European medieval cleaver or falchion, see the picture.
I know this point from the "Mount and Blade" game, it's one of the most powerful weapons.
So the point of your sword seems to be inspired by a very old European type.

best wishes,
Roland

David R · 9th February 2017, 10:31 PM

Certainly a "bespoke" piece. I would be happy to own it whatever the date it was made.

ariel · 9th February 2017, 11:07 PM

Roland,
Bizarre blades from Maciejowski Bible serve as an inspiration for scores of "Hobbit" fans. But all actual examples of their bladesmithing I've seen can not bite ankles of this puppy's sophistication.

Only the actual owner of this masterpiece can assess the age.
IMHO, it might be cheaper to buy a wootz Shamshir than to order an identical copy.

David · 9th February 2017, 11:13 PM

I've been watching this thread with great interest hoping someone came up with a good answer here.
I will say, just from my own perspective (and this is certainly just semantics on y part) that i would not call this a "fantasy sword". When i do think about "fantasy" blades what springs to mind are cheap, mass produced blades that generally are made at best from 420 steel and are inspired mostly from movies and video games. This, on the other hand, seems to be a hand forged (perhaps) one-off piece that involves some refined level of craft and while exotic it is hardly over the top in its design. Probably a contemporary piece, but a lovely one at that.
Keep digging gentleman and perhaps we will find some interesting answers.
BTW Kubur, where did you source this photo from?

fernando · 10th February 2017, 11:35 AM

In my humble perspective, whether you call it a decorative, a fantasy, an exotic or even a bespoke piece, it certainly wasn't forged to be a 'real sword'. Inspired on whatever original to serve as its muse, it could have less of that than in its autor giving wings to his imagination; resulting more in an object than in a serious weapon.
But then, as se say in my whereabouts, you don't discuss tastes

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Kubur · 10th February 2017, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by David

BTW Kubur, where did you source this photo from?

I really don't know, just picked up on google.
I don't even know if it's a photo... It might be a very well done 3d model for a video game... Nowadays it's difficult to make the difference...
A lot of things are unrealistic such as the suspension rings and the guard...

fernando · 10th February 2017, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

I really don't know, just picked up on google.
I don't even know if it's a photo... It might be a very well done 3d model for a video game... Nowadays it's difficult to make the difference...
A lot of things are unrealistic such as the suspension rings and the guard...

So ...

fernando · 10th February 2017, 02:43 PM

This is how you would have to hang this thing from your waist; a bit unhandy, i guess ...

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mross · 10th February 2017, 05:20 PM

Still can't tell if forged or stock removal, if not in hand somewhere we will never know, but not really relevant for real vs fantasy. I was just curious. What I do find relevant is that bump on the spine to me would preclude being able to draw the blade quickly. So unless the user is carrying it around in hand all the time, they would tend to have a very short life expectancy.

10th February 2017, 02:43 PM	#8
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Bizarre This is how you would have to hang this thing from your waist; a bit unhandy, i guess ... . Attached Images

9th February 2017, 10:31 PM	#2
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,119	Certainly a "bespoke" piece. I would be happy to own it whatever the date it was made.

9th February 2017, 11:07 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Roland, Bizarre blades from Maciejowski Bible serve as an inspiration for scores of "Hobbit" fans. But all actual examples of their bladesmithing I've seen can not bite ankles of this puppy's sophistication. Only the actual owner of this masterpiece can assess the age. IMHO, it might be cheaper to buy a wootz Shamshir than to order an identical copy.

9th February 2017, 11:13 PM	#4
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	I've been watching this thread with great interest hoping someone came up with a good answer here. I will say, just from my own perspective (and this is certainly just semantics on y part) that i would not call this a "fantasy sword". When i do think about "fantasy" blades what springs to mind are cheap, mass produced blades that generally are made at best from 420 steel and are inspired mostly from movies and video games. This, on the other hand, seems to be a hand forged (perhaps) one-off piece that involves some refined level of craft and while exotic it is hardly over the top in its design. Probably a contemporary piece, but a lovely one at that. Keep digging gentleman and perhaps we will find some interesting answers. BTW Kubur, where did you source this photo from?

10th February 2017, 11:35 AM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	In my humble perspective, whether you call it a decorative, a fantasy, an exotic or even a bespoke piece, it certainly wasn't forged to be a 'real sword'. Inspired on whatever original to serve as its muse, it could have less of that than in its autor giving wings to his imagination; resulting more in an object than in a serious weapon. But then, as se say in my whereabouts, you don't discuss tastes .

10th February 2017, 05:20 PM	#9
mross Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 478	Still can't tell if forged or stock removal, if not in hand somewhere we will never know, but not really relevant for real vs fantasy. I was just curious. What I do find relevant is that bump on the spine to me would preclude being able to draw the blade quickly. So unless the user is carrying it around in hand all the time, they would tend to have a very short life expectancy.