The photo of the year

ariel · 28th February 2006, 01:06 PM

This is very interesting.
Questions:
1. Did Persians migrate en masse or individually? If the latter, it would not count: just like an occasional Spaniard in Prague. But if the former is true, we might find tangible Persian influences in Thai culture (weapons, of course).
2. Are you sure they were Persians and not Indian Moghuls?

Titus Pullo · 2nd March 2006, 02:11 AM

I think it must have been the latter...though, some people can trace their ancestry back to their Persian root.

PUFF · 2nd March 2006, 06:09 AM

Persian migrated into Siam in the late 16th cent. and their history are well documented. We can trace back up to an Iranian named "Chek-Ahmad" (Sheikh Ahmed, I guessed) and his younger brother who visit Ayuthaya as merchants. They decided to settle down in Siam and do a lot of business with persian side. Later, many persian migrated into Siam and form persian colonies. Today, some of them still exist.

Chek-Ahmad is also the root of "Boon-Nak", a noble family, who served the royal family for centuries. The merchant brothers were very welcome by Siamese. After Chek-Ahmad and his men strenghten royal and city guard, solved a rebeling problem and then he was promoted to a very high-range noblehood. Beside his merchant business, he introduced islam (Shi'a) to Siam and also provided hourse and calvary trainig to the Siamese military.

Back to the topic, I don't feel persian battle axe is standard weapon for persian-adopted Siamese soldier. Persian-adopted units are mostly calvary and they served as bracers in the field. Accoeding to the national museum of Thailand, standard calvary weapons are agile polearm such as "Tuan" (lance) and "Tomorn" (trident) not axe or such.

BluErf · 3rd March 2006, 01:25 AM

I'm sorry, but this is just showing no respect to the axe. Not that it has any feelings, but the image is just kind of 'monstrous'. I think its going to get at least a few scratch marks...

Axe: "Hey!! I didn't survive 200 years to be used as a doorstop!!"

manicdj · 3rd March 2006, 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BluErf

I'm sorry, but this is just showing no respect to the axe. Not that it has any feelings, but the image is just kind of 'monstrous'. I think its going to get at least a few scratch marks...

Axe: "Hey!! I didn't survive 200 years to be used as a doorstop!!"

Just goes to show that, not averybody is (A) BLADESMAN

28th February 2006, 01:06 PM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	This is very interesting. Questions: 1. Did Persians migrate en masse or individually? If the latter, it would not count: just like an occasional Spaniard in Prague. But if the former is true, we might find tangible Persian influences in Thai culture (weapons, of course). 2. Are you sure they were Persians and not Indian Moghuls?

2nd March 2006, 02:11 AM	#2
Titus Pullo Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 123	I think it must have been the latter...though, some people can trace their ancestry back to their Persian root.

2nd March 2006, 06:09 AM	#3
PUFF Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 30 miles north of Bangkok, 20 miles south of Ayuthaya, Thailand Posts: 224	Persian migrated into Siam in the late 16th cent. and their history are well documented. We can trace back up to an Iranian named "Chek-Ahmad" (Sheikh Ahmed, I guessed) and his younger brother who visit Ayuthaya as merchants. They decided to settle down in Siam and do a lot of business with persian side. Later, many persian migrated into Siam and form persian colonies. Today, some of them still exist. Chek-Ahmad is also the root of "Boon-Nak", a noble family, who served the royal family for centuries. The merchant brothers were very welcome by Siamese. After Chek-Ahmad and his men strenghten royal and city guard, solved a rebeling problem and then he was promoted to a very high-range noblehood. Beside his merchant business, he introduced islam (Shi'a) to Siam and also provided hourse and calvary trainig to the Siamese military. Back to the topic, I don't feel persian battle axe is standard weapon for persian-adopted Siamese soldier. Persian-adopted units are mostly calvary and they served as bracers in the field. Accoeding to the national museum of Thailand, standard calvary weapons are agile polearm such as "Tuan" (lance) and "Tomorn" (trident) not axe or such.

3rd March 2006, 01:25 AM	#4
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	I'm sorry, but this is just showing no respect to the axe. Not that it has any feelings, but the image is just kind of 'monstrous'. I think its going to get at least a few scratch marks... Axe: "Hey!! I didn't survive 200 years to be used as a doorstop!!"