F. de Luzon's Moro Kris Collection

BANDOOK · 30th January 2017, 09:57 AM

Here is another example which does not belong to me,but thought would share it for discussion
regards Rajesh

BANDOOK · 30th January 2017, 10:00 AM

Overall length -68 cms

Battara · 31st January 2017, 12:10 AM

I'm not sure I agree with the information regarding this example.

MOP was not common until the 20th century. Also this form is a 20th century form, not a 19th century form. And then, this type of kris is made in the Sulu region and not Mindanao.

BANDOOK · 31st January 2017, 02:02 AM

Thanks Battara
Its good to know that,i don't collect these weapons so good for my knowledge
Regards Rajesh

Ian · 3rd February 2017, 10:58 PM

Agree with Jose's dating for the same reasons he gives. The kris shown by VANDOO is a mid- to late-20th C. example in Sulu dress. These are readily found in antique shops in Manila or online. Although well made and from the original culture, I suspect they are produced mainly for sale to foreigners who travel.

Ian.

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Originally Posted by Battara

I'm not sure I agree with the information regarding this example.

MOP was not common until the 20th century. Also this form is a 20th century form, not a 19th century form. And then, this type of kris is made in the Sulu region and not Mindanao.

Battara · 3rd February 2017, 11:10 PM

Ian is right. I will only add that some of these recent Sulu examples may be even laminated on occasion. I know this because I bought one years ago and it was laminated. Admittedly, that was probably made in the 1960s. Pieces coming out of the region today are more often mono-steel.

Rick · 4th February 2017, 01:46 AM

I had a small, child size kris of this vintage; two stirrups, silver but undecorated w/out any engraving on the blade. Same hilt, same knot work wrap.
I posted it here but can't find the old post with the search function.

It was a very sharp blade and competently formed; I believe I sold it to Lew some years ago before he passed on.

I miss Lew.

F. de Luzon · 11th February 2017, 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

I had a small, child size kris of this vintage; two stirrups, silver but undecorated w/out any engraving on the blade. Same hilt, same knot work wrap.
I posted it here but can't find the old post with the search function.

It was a very sharp blade and competently formed; I believe I sold it to Lew some years ago before he passed on.

I miss Lew.

Thanks for your comment Rick.

I have a kris that is smaller than the others in my collection and I've always wondered if it was a child's kris. The blade is only 17.5 inches long (44.5 cm) and the width is proportionate to the length. Below is a photo for your reference.

Please share your thoughts.

F. de Luzon · 11th February 2017, 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BANDOOK

Here is another example which does not belong to me,but thought would share it for discussion
regards Rajesh

Thanks for sharing, Rajesh!

30th January 2017, 09:57 AM	#1
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 627	ANOTHER 19th century Moro Sondang -Mindano region Here is another example which does not belong to me,but thought would share it for discussion regards Rajesh Attached Images

30th January 2017, 10:00 AM	#2
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 627	Overall length -68 cms

31st January 2017, 12:10 AM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	I'm not sure I agree with the information regarding this example. MOP was not common until the 20th century. Also this form is a 20th century form, not a 19th century form. And then, this type of kris is made in the Sulu region and not Mindanao.

31st January 2017, 02:02 AM	#4
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 627	Thanks Battara Its good to know that,i don't collect these weapons so good for my knowledge Regards Rajesh

3rd February 2017, 11:10 PM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	Ian is right. I will only add that some of these recent Sulu examples may be even laminated on occasion. I know this because I bought one years ago and it was laminated. Admittedly, that was probably made in the 1960s. Pieces coming out of the region today are more often mono-steel.

4th February 2017, 01:46 AM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,348	I had a small, child size kris of this vintage; two stirrups, silver but undecorated w/out any engraving on the blade. Same hilt, same knot work wrap. I posted it here but can't find the old post with the search function. It was a very sharp blade and competently formed; I believe I sold it to Lew some years ago before he passed on. I miss Lew.