VOC Hanger 1761 Amsterdam

Maurice · 25th January 2017, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

I am curious on the year marking invariably placed on these blades below the VOC and chamber (there were 6) letter mark. As with yours the 'A' is of course for Amsterdam, with others being Middelburg; Hoorn; Enkhuizen; Delft and Rotterdam (the R below the VOC rather than above).

Hello Jim,

most of the time the letter of the chamber was stamped above the VOC stamp, but sometimes below the VOC stamp. Not specificly the "R". I have seen blades with the "R" above the VOC mark, and also with the "E" below the VOC mark.
Alas, indeed I have seen also a VOC blade with the "R" below the VOC mark.
But in general most of the time they are depicted above.

Kind regards,
Maurice

cornelistromp · 26th January 2017, 09:04 AM

Dutch naval cutlasses in my collection.

1. Admiralty of Amsterdam
2. VOC Hoorn dated 1731
3. VOC Amsterdam dated 1761 post #1

I will later post some more pictures

best,
Jasper

Maurice · 26th January 2017, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cornelistromp

Dutch naval cutlasses in my collection.

1. Admiralty of Amsterdam
2. VOC Hoorn dated 1731
3. VOC Amsterdam dated 1761 post #1

I will later post some more pictures

best,
Jasper

Hello Jasper,

those cutlasses are really great!
Looking forward to see some additional pics of the stamps in the blade.

Thank you for sharing,
Vriendelijke groeten,
Maurice

Jim McDougall · 26th January 2017, 04:24 PM

Maurice, thank you so much for your well explained answers! It is good to be learning more on the very esoteric details of these fascinating swords. I very much appreciate this added detail, and am grateful for Jasper posting this topic and sharing his examples.

I know the guys on ethnographic have posted many examples over the years of these blades in many unusual mounts, and it is great to see these in their original settings!

cornelistromp · 28th January 2017, 08:22 AM

national military museum # 019069 , a houwer dated 1788 Amsterdam same hilt type as the AA one, depicted above .

cornelistromp · 29th January 2017, 04:49 PM

some more pictures

Jim McDougall · 29th January 2017, 07:47 PM

Superb examples Jasper!! Thank you!

On the one shellguard hanger, there are a number of chop marks on the back of the blade near the hilt. It seems this type line chops occur on a number of ethnographic sword blades in the same manner (it seems dha in SE Asia and others). Have you come across any notations on this feature?

Also, it is interesting to see the variation of application of the dates and devices used, some in script, some stamped. The astral man in the moon aligns with of course these devices used on Solingen blades with talismanic/magic symbolism.

AHorsa · 3rd February 2021, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cornelistromp

Dutch naval cutlasses in my collection.

1. Admiralty of Amsterdam
2. VOC Hoorn dated 1731
3. VOC Amsterdam dated 1761 post #1

I will later post some more pictures

best,
Jasper

Quite similar pieces are dated to the early 17th century (e.g. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=22245 see #8)

Was this style / model in use for such a long time?

Best regards
Andreas

26th January 2017, 09:04 AM	#2
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	Dutch naval cutlasses in my collection. 1. Admiralty of Amsterdam 2. VOC Hoorn dated 1731 3. VOC Amsterdam dated 1761 post #1 I will later post some more pictures best, Jasper Attached Images

28th January 2017, 08:22 AM	#5
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	national military museum # 019069 , a houwer dated 1788 Amsterdam same hilt type as the AA one, depicted above . Attached Images

29th January 2017, 04:49 PM	#6
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	some more pictures Attached Images

26th January 2017, 04:24 PM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,410	Maurice, thank you so much for your well explained answers! It is good to be learning more on the very esoteric details of these fascinating swords. I very much appreciate this added detail, and am grateful for Jasper posting this topic and sharing his examples. I know the guys on ethnographic have posted many examples over the years of these blades in many unusual mounts, and it is great to see these in their original settings!

29th January 2017, 07:47 PM	#7
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,410	Superb examples Jasper!! Thank you! On the one shellguard hanger, there are a number of chop marks on the back of the blade near the hilt. It seems this type line chops occur on a number of ethnographic sword blades in the same manner (it seems dha in SE Asia and others). Have you come across any notations on this feature? Also, it is interesting to see the variation of application of the dates and devices used, some in script, some stamped. The astral man in the moon aligns with of course these devices used on Solingen blades with talismanic/magic symbolism.