new pistol

[Fernando K]

Hello
Several things call my attention. First, the knob and the piece that holds the barrel in its front, appear to be fused, instead of being chiseled. Second in the lock.La bowl is barely insinuated, the scratch of the frizeen is just muffled and the strangest, the shot block is round, not a flat blade.

Affectionately. Fernando K

[Fernando K]

Hello
I want to say that this is a piece for tourists, although the decor work is magnificent.
Affectionately. Fernando K

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

There is a pair of Algerian Pistols in The Queen Elizabeth 11 collection with coral and silver decoration for comparison and interest...as below...

Described as Quote" Flintlock pistol; octagonal/round steel barrel, chased with foliate scrolls, with two chased bands; wooden stock applied throughout with tear-shaped pieces of coral with engraved silver surrounds; silver mounts chased with foliate scrolls, pommel with bands of leaves, fluting, ropework.

Provenance;

Part of a set of guns and pistols given by the Dey of Algiers". Unquote.

[rickystl]

Hi Kubur.

WOW!! What a couple more close-up photos will produce.

Unfortunatly, I must agree with Fernando K. This appears to be a Tourist piece. You will probably find that both the lock and barrel are castings versus forgings. If you took the barrel off you will probably find there is no seperate breech plug. It is the most nicely decorated Tourist piece I have ever seen.

That said, I still wish I owned this piece. That it is a Tourist piece would be all the excuse I need to convert it into a shooting gun with a new barrel and utilizing one of my spare miquelet locks out of my collection. LOL I really like the stock decoration on this one.

Rick

[Kubur]

Originally Posted by rickystl

Hi Kubur.

WOW!! What a couple more close-up photos will produce.
It is the most nicely decorated Tourist piece I have ever seen.
That said, I still wish I owned this piece. That it is a Tourist piece would be all the excuse I need to convert it into a shooting gun with a new barrel and utilizing one of my spare miquelet locks out of my collection. LOL I really like the stock decoration on this one.

Rick

Hi Rick,
I sent to Fernando detailled explanations and he is right of course.
That is said but what is very disturbing is the fact that this pistol is even better in 'real' than on photographs. The decoration, the weight balance, the size, it's a nice piece so it would be difficult for me to leave it.
Please, look at this Algerian Moukala made in 1918 (the date in Gregoran calendar is engraved on the stock)...not mine unfortunately...

Best,
Kubur

[rickystl]

Originally Posted by Kubur

Hi Rick,
I sent to Fernando detailled explanations and he is right of course.
That is said but what is very disturbing is the fact that this pistol is even better in 'real' than on photographs. The decoration, the weight balance, the size, it's a nice piece so it would be difficult for me to leave it.
Please, look at this Algerian Moukala made in 1918 (the date in Gregoran calendar is engraved on the stock)...not mine unfortunately...

Best,
Kubur

Hi Kubur.

Well, I had to try. LOL

That Moukala is dated very late. The lock and barrel may be older and re-used to build this one. The barrel seems a bit shorter than most, but could be original.

Rick.

[BANDOOK]

HI KUBUR
THIS BELONGS TO A FRIEND WHO LIVES IN FRANCE,WAS FOR SALE SOMETIME BACK
MOROCCON OR ALGERIAN,LOVELY PISTOL
REGARDS RAJESH

[rickystl]

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

There is a pair of Algerian Pistols in The Queen Elizabeth 11 collection with coral and silver decoration for comparison and interest...as below...

Described as Quote" Flintlock pistol; octagonal/round steel barrel, chased with foliate scrolls, with two chased bands; wooden stock applied throughout with tear-shaped pieces of coral with engraved silver surrounds; silver mounts chased with foliate scrolls, pommel with bands of leaves, fluting, ropework.

Provenance;

Part of a set of guns and pistols given by the Dey of Algiers". Unquote.

Hi Ibrahiim.

What a beautiful pair of pistols. Note the front of the ramrods being partially wraped in thin sheet silver (and sometimes brass). A trademark of Algerian built guns. You also see this done with the ramrods of the long guns.

Rick

[Kubur]

Originally Posted by Fernando K

Hello
Several things call my attention. First, the knob and the piece that holds the barrel in its front, appear to be fused, instead of being chiseled. Second in the lock.La bowl is barely insinuated, the scratch of the frizeen is just muffled and the strangest, the shot block is round, not a flat blade.

Affectionately. Fernando K

Dear Fernando,
You are right. I looked at the barrel nicely engraved with copper wire.
Unfortunately the thickness of the barrel is not the same at the muzzle and the light is not even drilled throught the barrel. For the lock it's true that the frizzen looks cast. Nevertheless it's a very good lock nothing compare to what you call tourist pistols.
Please look at my thread called
Fake pistols with real locks, real pistols with fake locks
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...oroccan+pistol
Look also at
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=20541
The first and the last Moroccan muskets belong to the same category,
old guns made in the late 19th and very early 20th (before 1918).
To be simplier and more clear we have at least two categories of guns here.
The very early tourist pistols if you like, but i prefer to say decorative as their quality is comparable to old ones (around 1880 to 1920) and the tourist guns from 1930 to our days.
I noticed two workshops where they produced this early type of guns, one in Morocco and one in Istanbul. I will post Turkish examples one day. One feature of these workshops is the use of old spare parts. Sometimes it's difficult to distinguish the recent from the old even for specialists...
Best,
Kubur