Kris

Ian · 29th December 2016, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CCUAL

Can someone tell me which moro tribe this belongs to? based on the sheath and handle. thanks

According to Cato, the sheath is Mindanao in origin, possibly Maranao. The hilt is harder to classify with its jute wrapping flanked by two encircling silver (?) sheet bands. There appears to be crenelation along the edge of the top band, a feature often found on Maranao hilts but by no means unique to that tribal group. The elephant tooth small kakatua pommel is unusual and not a characteristic finding for any of the major Moro groups.

Ian

Ian · 29th December 2016, 12:24 PM

Rarely do I disagree with Jose, but on this occasion I think he is mistaken in his attribution of the blade to the Maguindanao, at least if we are to believe Cato's classification.

Attached is a scan of Cato's Figure 39-42,* which I have labeled A,B,C,D: A = Sulu kris; B = Maranao; C = Maguindanao; and D = a "crossover" form. A picture of your kris (attached) shows the "elephant trunk" area is most consistent with the Maranao example (B) shown by Cato.

To quote Cato (p. 68):

The type that is distinctly Maranao begins with an elongated trunk [I think the tip of your trunk may have broken off]. The mouth cavity, while still present, is quite narrow, and the lower jaw runs parallel to the guard. While the Sulu, Maguindanao and "crossover" forms of the elephant's head/trunk motif display concave cavities beneath the lower jaw, the Maranao configuration does not.

Ian.

*Cato, R. Moro Swords. Graham Brash: Singapore, 1996, pp. 68-69.

Battara · 29th December 2016, 01:16 PM

Actually I was referring to the "tooth kris", the one with the fossil molar ivory.

On the one you are referencing, Ian, I agree.

Ian · 29th December 2016, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Actually I was referring to the "tooth kris", the one with the fossil molar ivory.

On the one you are referencing, Ian, I agree.

My apologies Jose. I thought you referred to the other one.

Battara · 29th December 2016, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian

My apologies Jose. I thought you referred to the other one.

Oh no problem Ian. I like to learn.

You know, once I thought I made an error, but I found out that I was mistaken...

DaveS · 30th December 2016, 02:05 AM

Chris: Sorry, but we don't do Pasadena anymore, since they cut the show from three days to two. To much work for just two days. But we still do the Pomona Militaria Show in May. Hope to see you there...........Dave.

CCUAL · 30th December 2016, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DaveS

Chris: Sorry, but we don't do Pasadena anymore, since they cut the show from three days to two. To much work for just two days. But we still do the Pomona Militaria Show in May. Hope to see you there...........Dave.

I will see you guys in Pomona this May then....Chris

mross · 30th December 2016, 04:51 PM

Good eye, I think catches like this are the most fun.

CCUAL · 30th December 2016, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mross

Good eye, I think catches like this are the most fun.

You're very right, Mross. Ebay is still a good source from time to time, I caught 3 very nice twistcore krises this year alone, 2 were under hundred bucks, way below the of bidding war radar.

David · 30th December 2016, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CCUAL

You're very right, Mross. Ebay is still a good source from time to time, I caught 3 very nice twistcore krises this year alone, 2 were under hundred bucks, way below the of bidding war radar.

I agree Chris, there are still sleepers to be found if you have a combination of a good eye and a good deal of luck.

CCUAL · 30th December 2016, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by David

I agree Chris, there are still sleepers to be found if you have a combination of a good eye and a good deal of luck.

True David. When ever I have time and free from any thing that is when I do my scouting. I take my time searching from item to item, each category that's link to what I am searching for. Two of the krises that I found this year were misspelled and it was buried in no where, I was surprised when I found it, I crossed finger a bit hoping that no one will fight me against it, and sure enough. none

I also take my time looking deep into those thick rusted photos, looking for signs, very rewarding at the end..

29th December 2016, 12:24 PM	#2
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,363	Rarely do I disagree with Jose, but on this occasion I think he is mistaken in his attribution of the blade to the Maguindanao, at least if we are to believe Cato's classification. Attached is a scan of Cato's Figure 39-42,* which I have labeled A,B,C,D: A = Sulu kris; B = Maranao; C = Maguindanao; and D = a "crossover" form. A picture of your kris (attached) shows the "elephant trunk" area is most consistent with the Maranao example (B) shown by Cato. To quote Cato (p. 68): The type that is distinctly Maranao begins with an elongated trunk [I think the tip of your trunk may have broken off]. The mouth cavity, while still present, is quite narrow, and the lower jaw runs parallel to the guard. While the Sulu, Maguindanao and "crossover" forms of the elephant's head/trunk motif display concave cavities beneath the lower jaw, the Maranao configuration does not. Ian. Cato, R. Moro Swords*. Graham Brash: Singapore, 1996, pp. 68-69. Attached Images

29th December 2016, 01:16 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Actually I was referring to the "tooth kris", the one with the fossil molar ivory. On the one you are referencing, Ian, I agree.

30th December 2016, 02:05 AM	#6
DaveS Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	Chris: Sorry, but we don't do Pasadena anymore, since they cut the show from three days to two. To much work for just two days. But we still do the Pomona Militaria Show in May. Hope to see you there...........Dave.

30th December 2016, 04:51 PM	#8
mross Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 478	Good eye, I think catches like this are the most fun.