"Armour Piercing Keris" ???

Kulino · 22nd December 2016, 04:35 PM

Hi K!

Looks like it. The kinatah looks genuine. The tombak looks like a quality object. Wutuh, sepuh and maybe even a bit tanggu. If this is the case this could support the idea that there might be tombak of quality with mentuk iras. The tombak now showing has seperate metuk with the same kinatah.
(Maybe less intricate)

kai · 22nd December 2016, 05:13 PM

Hello Kulino,

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The tombak now showing has seperate metuk with the same kinatah.
(Maybe less intricate)

The center motif seems to correspond, indeed. I'd agree that the iras metuk looks nicer than the separate one in these 2 examples (even when ignoring the kinatah).

Without wanting to hijack Paul's thread - great to see some tombak here for a change!

Regards,
Kai

David · 22nd December 2016, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kai

Without wanting to hijack Paul's thread - great to see some tombak here for a change!

Well, i was letting this slide, but if we are going to continue to discuss tombak we really do need to take it to the Ethno Forum. It was decided at the very start of this keris gallery that this forum would be for the discussion to keris only and all other tosan aji would be discussed on the Ethno Forum. Thanks...

Kulino · 23rd December 2016, 11:00 AM

Sorry David, you're right.
I'll post it on the Etno forum. Can I cut and paste or what's the way to do this most effectively?

Gustav · 23rd December 2016, 12:52 PM

Tombak or Keris?

Thank you, Kulino, for posting these.

Battara · 23rd December 2016, 01:33 PM

This Bugis looking keris seems to me to have a newer blade.

Gustav · 23rd December 2016, 02:06 PM

The question is, what means "newer" in the context.

If about 100 years of age is new for you, then it certainly isn't new. I would say, quite a lot older than new.

The Gonjo of course is newer then blade, but surely also antique.

Sajen · 23rd December 2016, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

This Bugis looking keris seems to me to have a newer blade.

It look Malay to my eyes, Terengganu!?

GIO · 23rd December 2016, 06:06 PM

[QUOTE=Gustav]Tombak or Keris?

Tombak IMHO

A. G. Maisey · 23rd December 2016, 06:55 PM

This is a very scarce item, seldom seen, and I have never previously seen a Bugis style one.

My guess is a family pusaka mounted as a keris.

It is a Tomris, Dhapur Ngapes.

Edit: --- In response to a private query I thought I'd better add this:-

"Tomris" is the Ngoko term, Krama is "Dhuwaos", and when worn in the wangkingan fashion it is referred to as a "Wangwaosan".

It should be noted that the alternate spelling of "Tomris" is "Tumris"

22nd December 2016, 04:35 PM	#1
Kulino Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 84	Hi K! Looks like it. The kinatah looks genuine. The tombak looks like a quality object. Wutuh, sepuh and maybe even a bit tanggu. If this is the case this could support the idea that there might be tombak of quality with mentuk iras. The tombak now showing has seperate metuk with the same kinatah. (Maybe less intricate) Attached Images

23rd December 2016, 12:52 PM	#5
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	Tombak or Keris? Thank you, Kulino, for posting these. Attached Images

23rd December 2016, 06:55 PM	#10
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	This is a very scarce item, seldom seen, and I have never previously seen a Bugis style one. My guess is a family pusaka mounted as a keris. It is a Tomris, Dhapur Ngapes. Edit: --- In response to a private query I thought I'd better add this:- "Tomris" is the Ngoko term, Krama is "Dhuwaos", and when worn in the wangkingan fashion it is referred to as a "Wangwaosan". It should be noted that the alternate spelling of "Tomris" is "Tumris" Last edited by A. G. Maisey; 23rd December 2016 at 08:51 PM. Reason: clarification

23rd December 2016, 11:00 AM	#4
Kulino Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 84	Sorry David, you're right. I'll post it on the Etno forum. Can I cut and paste or what's the way to do this most effectively?

23rd December 2016, 01:33 PM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,323	This Bugis looking keris seems to me to have a newer blade.

23rd December 2016, 02:06 PM	#7
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	The question is, what means "newer" in the context. If about 100 years of age is new for you, then it certainly isn't new. I would say, quite a lot older than new. The Gonjo of course is newer then blade, but surely also antique.

23rd December 2016, 06:06 PM	#9
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 330	[QUOTE=Gustav]Tombak or Keris? Tombak IMHO