Swiss cantonal riffle ?

fernando · 18th December 2016, 01:07 PM

I fully understand your surprise at my assumption that the barrel side block is not for lodging a bayonet but, i didn't think i would have to doubt the description of this rifle by a well credited house, which reads as follows:

A .700 CALIBRE SWISS PERCUSSION TARGET RIFLE BY FRERES SIBER A LAUSANNE, NO. 133, CIRCA 1845 with heavy octagonal twist multi-groove rifled barrel fitted with adjustable back-sight and with a block on the right of the muzzle for a windage-adjustable fore-sight, engraved breech with an eagle above a numbered oval, case-hardened tang, signed case-hardened flush-fitting lock, set trigger, highly figured walnut full stock, iron mounts comprising spurred butt-plate, trigger-guard, three ramrod-pipes, the rear extending to form a rest beneath the stock, and two sling swivels (patinated), two vacant German silver escutcheons, horn fore-end cap, and horn-tipped ramrod 89.0 cm; 35 in barrel The brothers Jean Frédéric and Jean François Charles Siber are recorded working together in Lausanne circa 1845.

Cerjak · 18th December 2016, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

I fully understand your surprise at my assumption that the barrel side block is not for lodging a bayonet but, i didn't think i would have to doubt the description of this rifle by a well credited house, which reads as follows:

A .700 CALIBRE SWISS PERCUSSION TARGET RIFLE BY FRERES SIBER A LAUSANNE, NO. 133, CIRCA 1845 with heavy octagonal twist multi-groove rifled barrel fitted with adjustable back-sight and with a block on the right of the muzzle for a windage-adjustable fore-sight, engraved breech with an eagle above a numbered oval, case-hardened tang, signed case-hardened flush-fitting lock, set trigger, highly figured walnut full stock, iron mounts comprising spurred butt-plate, trigger-guard, three ramrod-pipes, the rear extending to form a rest beneath the stock, and two sling swivels (patinated), two vacant German silver escutcheons, horn fore-end cap, and horn-tipped ramrod 89.0 cm; 35 in barrel The brothers Jean Frédéric and Jean François Charles Siber are recorded working together in Lausanne circa 1845.

Dear Fernando ,
Please se the below pictures for swiss riffle with bayonet slot, some times even in reliable auction houses small omissions are possible.
Fenando k and Corado thank you for your comments.

Jean-Luc

fernando · 18th December 2016, 01:59 PM

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iskender · 18th December 2016, 02:14 PM

dear gentlemen ,in my collection i have many rifles of this type ,ranging from the flintlockaera pre 1800 till the late ones made with percussionlocks. the privat guns made for shooting as a hobby at that time have no bajonet and can reach gigantic size . the ones with a bajonet-holder are from a "Scharfschützen-Kompanie". at that time there was no central production of rifles in switzerland, these guns are mostly made by a local gunsmith or orderd in belgium /liege. there a even many of them with "damascusbarrels" there will be a good chance to find a fitting bajonet for this rifle! greetings iskender

Cerjak · 18th December 2016, 07:05 PM

Dear Iskender,
Thank you for your comment.
After some researchs in found some interesting informations about similar examples.
It seems that it could be a mod 1842/1852 so before the mod 1851.
Also I think that this riffle has a damascus barrel .
Best
Cerjak

iskender · 18th December 2016, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cerjak

Dear Iskender,
Thank you for your comment.
After some researchs in found some interesting informations about similar examples.
It seems that it could be a mod 1842/1852 so before the mod 1851.
Also I think that this riffle has a damascus barrel .
Best
Cerjak

bonsoir cerjak , the missing bajonet together with a original leadersccabard has a standard price around 150 sfr in switzerland.there are many for sale now because the people who collected " Kantonale Ordonnanz " till 1848 are dead and the prices are very moderate on swiss items now ! ( i am the next generation also dead soon

) bonne soirée encore iskender

Cerjak · 19th December 2016, 03:54 PM

Hi iskender,
I found this model and I think that it could be the good model for my riffle.
SUISSE
Baïonnette à queue pour carabine modèle 1838 du Canton de Vaud.
Lame triangulaire poinçonnée au talon.
Longueur lame : 50,3 cm - Longueur totale : 57,8 cm

Best
Cerjak

iskender · 19th December 2016, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cerjak

Hi iskender,
I found this model and I think that it could be the good model for my riffle.
SUISSE
Baïonnette à queue pour carabine modèle 1838 du Canton de Vaud.
Lame triangulaire poinçonnée au talon.
Longueur lame : 50,3 cm - Longueur totale : 57,8 cm

Best
Cerjak

hello cerjak , this looks good ! congrats ! a military rifle with the bajonet missing is always somehow frustrating. iskender

18th December 2016, 01:07 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	What am i missing ... I fully understand your surprise at my assumption that the barrel side block is not for lodging a bayonet but, i didn't think i would have to doubt the description of this rifle by a well credited house, which reads as follows: A .700 CALIBRE SWISS PERCUSSION TARGET RIFLE BY FRERES SIBER A LAUSANNE, NO. 133, CIRCA 1845 with heavy octagonal twist multi-groove rifled barrel fitted with adjustable back-sight and with a block on the right of the muzzle for a windage-adjustable fore-sight, engraved breech with an eagle above a numbered oval, case-hardened tang, signed case-hardened flush-fitting lock, set trigger, highly figured walnut full stock, iron mounts comprising spurred butt-plate, trigger-guard, three ramrod-pipes, the rear extending to form a rest beneath the stock, and two sling swivels (patinated), two vacant German silver escutcheons, horn fore-end cap, and horn-tipped ramrod 89.0 cm; 35 in barrel The brothers Jean Frédéric and Jean François Charles Siber are recorded working together in Lausanne circa 1845.

18th December 2016, 02:14 PM	#4
iskender Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 60	sniperrifle ? " cantonale ordonnanz " dear gentlemen ,in my collection i have many rifles of this type ,ranging from the flintlockaera pre 1800 till the late ones made with percussionlocks. the privat guns made for shooting as a hobby at that time have no bajonet and can reach gigantic size . the ones with a bajonet-holder are from a "Scharfschützen-Kompanie". at that time there was no central production of rifles in switzerland, these guns are mostly made by a local gunsmith or orderd in belgium /liege. there a even many of them with "damascusbarrels" there will be a good chance to find a fitting bajonet for this rifle! greetings iskender Last edited by iskender; 18th December 2016 at 02:36 PM.

18th December 2016, 07:05 PM	#5
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Carabine vaudoise mod 1842-50 Dear Iskender, Thank you for your comment. After some researchs in found some interesting informations about similar examples. It seems that it could be a mod 1842/1852 so before the mod 1851. Also I think that this riffle has a damascus barrel . Best Cerjak Attached Images

19th December 2016, 03:54 PM	#7
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Hi iskender, I found this model and I think that it could be the good model for my riffle. SUISSE Baïonnette à queue pour carabine modèle 1838 du Canton de Vaud. Lame triangulaire poinçonnée au talon. Longueur lame : 50,3 cm - Longueur totale : 57,8 cm Best Cerjak Attached Images

18th December 2016, 01:59 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Parfait .