shamshir w. scabbard restoration/conservation advice

mariusgmioc · 15th December 2016, 09:32 AM

I like the scabbard in its current condition (which is reasonably good in my oppinion) and I would not have it restored, but keep it as it is.

But this is my personal prefference, of course.

GePi · 15th December 2016, 11:17 AM

Marius, I tend to agree in this case. The vast majority of the leather is still present and the missing pieces don't detract from the overall look too much in my opinion.

Roland, when I dropped off the other shamshir at Steffen's, we also talked about the possibility to build a new scabbard for it from scratch, so I will probably still benefit from his skills in that regard.

As requested by Detlef, I added another picture of the grip scales from the other side of the grip.

As for the pommel cap, has anybody had any experience in refixing something like this. Could dunking the cap in boiling water be enough to melt the resin?

Regards

Gernot

Sajen · 15th December 2016, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GePi

As requested by Detlef, I added another picture of the grip scales from the other side of the grip.

Hello Gernot,

agree with Roland, the material look indeed like elephant ivory.

Regards,
Detlef

Richard G · 15th December 2016, 01:03 PM

Just goes to show! because I would have said this was marine\walrus ivory.
Regards
Richard

mariusgmioc · 15th December 2016, 05:17 PM

I don't have much experience with removing old resin, but I would definitely NOT use any hot water.

I would try with a hot ait blower.

DaveS · 18th December 2016, 03:01 AM

Gernot: Your handle is made of walrus ivory. On the end i can see the distinctive pattern that elephant ivory does not have..........Dave.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 18th December 2016, 03:13 PM

I would like to get in and support this thread since digging around in my store the other day I found one ...Armed with camera and notebook I intend to show the weapon here in a day or two but initially here is what the Shamshiir is described as on Wikepedia;

Quote" A shamshir, shamsher, shamsheer or chimchir (from Persian: شمشیر‎‎ shamshir) is a type of sabre with a curve that is considered radical for a sword: 5 to 15 degrees from tip to tip. The name is derived from Persian: شمشیر‎‎ shamshīr, which means "sword" (in general). The radically curved sword family includes the shamshir, scimitar, Talwar, kilij, Pulwar and the sabre.

A Shamshir Shekargar (Persian: شَمشیر شکارگَر‎‎ shamshir-e shekârgar; literally, "hunters' sword" or "hunting sword") is the same as a shamshir, except the blade is engraved and decorated, usually with hunting scenes".Unquote.

For some fine work on the Shamshir subject please see; http://www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/shamshir/index.html

15th December 2016, 11:17 AM	#2
GePi Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Germany Posts: 95	Marius, I tend to agree in this case. The vast majority of the leather is still present and the missing pieces don't detract from the overall look too much in my opinion. Roland, when I dropped off the other shamshir at Steffen's, we also talked about the possibility to build a new scabbard for it from scratch, so I will probably still benefit from his skills in that regard. As requested by Detlef, I added another picture of the grip scales from the other side of the grip. As for the pommel cap, has anybody had any experience in refixing something like this. Could dunking the cap in boiling water be enough to melt the resin? Regards Gernot Attached Images

15th December 2016, 09:32 AM	#1
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,906	I like the scabbard in its current condition (which is reasonably good in my oppinion) and I would not have it restored, but keep it as it is. But this is my personal prefference, of course.

15th December 2016, 01:03 PM	#4
Richard G Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 409	Just goes to show! because I would have said this was marine\walrus ivory. Regards Richard

15th December 2016, 05:17 PM	#5
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,906	I don't have much experience with removing old resin, but I would definitely NOT use any hot water. I would try with a hot ait blower.

18th December 2016, 03:01 AM	#6
DaveS Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	Gernot: Your handle is made of walrus ivory. On the end i can see the distinctive pattern that elephant ivory does not have..........Dave.

18th December 2016, 03:13 PM	#7
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	I would like to get in and support this thread since digging around in my store the other day I found one ...Armed with camera and notebook I intend to show the weapon here in a day or two but initially here is what the Shamshiir is described as on Wikepedia; Quote" A shamshir, shamsher, shamsheer or chimchir (from Persian: شمشیر‎‎ shamshir) is a type of sabre with a curve that is considered radical for a sword: 5 to 15 degrees from tip to tip. The name is derived from Persian: شمشیر‎‎ shamshīr, which means "sword" (in general). The radically curved sword family includes the shamshir, scimitar, Talwar, kilij, Pulwar and the sabre. A Shamshir Shekargar (Persian: شَمشیر شکارگَر‎‎ shamshir-e shekârgar; literally, "hunters' sword" or "hunting sword") is the same as a shamshir, except the blade is engraved and decorated, usually with hunting scenes".Unquote. For some fine work on the Shamshir subject please see; http://www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/shamshir/index.html