A Needle

A. G. Maisey · 12th December 2016, 02:24 AM

Yes, I'm aware of that, previously I was thinking of gentle-born ladies working tapestries, but now I'm thinking of gentle-born ladies going to rug-hooking circles --- or since its a punch needle maybe that should gentle-born ladies going to rug punching sessions --- getting in practice for a bit domestic violence when they get home.

Roland_M · 12th December 2016, 02:34 PM

Hello Alan,

this could be an old stitching awl.
Maybe a tool for a shoemaker.

Roland

A. G. Maisey · 12th December 2016, 07:56 PM

Thank you for your thoughts Roland, but no, definitely not a shoemakers tool.

M ELEY · 22nd December 2016, 02:55 AM

I'm kinda with Battara on this one. There were fine examples of almost any tool depending on the tradesman and their particular trade. The fine rugs coming out of Persia and Turkey were fit for royalty...why not a fine set of tools to go along with it? its just like those betal nut cutters with their elaborate forms and (sometimes) materials...I mean, they were a nut cracker, for Lord's sake!
Mark

A. G. Maisey · 22nd December 2016, 08:05 AM

Yes, I have no problem at all with the idea that high class craftsmen had high class tools, in fact I do have other examples of high quality tools, and have seen even more, but this is a punch needle, it was used to make (apparently) low class rugs, more or less folk art type rugs.

Sailors made them on long voyages, country women made them, it was a big thing in old Russia, much finer punch needles than this one were used for the ornamentation of religious clothing. I do not know, but I rather doubt, that craftsmen in the employ of royal courts made rugs, or other needlework, that required a large, heavy needle like this one.

Yes, its a high class tool, so who might have owned a high class, heavy duty punch needle, a tool for making folk-art rugs?

In respect of beetle nut cutters, in Indonesia these are known as "kacip" and are a part of the paraphernalia used in the relevant ceremony. Even very ordinary people owned quite elaborate beetle sets. In recent years, say the last 20 years or so, they have attained high status as collectables in Indonesia and their value is now more or less the same as keris of similar quality.

12th December 2016, 02:24 AM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Yes, I'm aware of that, previously I was thinking of gentle-born ladies working tapestries, but now I'm thinking of gentle-born ladies going to rug-hooking circles --- or since its a punch needle maybe that should gentle-born ladies going to rug punching sessions --- getting in practice for a bit domestic violence when they get home.

12th December 2016, 02:34 PM	#2
Roland_M Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Germany Posts: 525	Hello Alan, this could be an old stitching awl. Maybe a tool for a shoemaker. Roland

12th December 2016, 07:56 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Thank you for your thoughts Roland, but no, definitely not a shoemakers tool.

22nd December 2016, 02:55 AM	#4
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,141	I'm kinda with Battara on this one. There were fine examples of almost any tool depending on the tradesman and their particular trade. The fine rugs coming out of Persia and Turkey were fit for royalty...why not a fine set of tools to go along with it? its just like those betal nut cutters with their elaborate forms and (sometimes) materials...I mean, they were a nut cracker, for Lord's sake! Mark

22nd December 2016, 08:05 AM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Yes, I have no problem at all with the idea that high class craftsmen had high class tools, in fact I do have other examples of high quality tools, and have seen even more, but this is a punch needle, it was used to make (apparently) low class rugs, more or less folk art type rugs. Sailors made them on long voyages, country women made them, it was a big thing in old Russia, much finer punch needles than this one were used for the ornamentation of religious clothing. I do not know, but I rather doubt, that craftsmen in the employ of royal courts made rugs, or other needlework, that required a large, heavy needle like this one. Yes, its a high class tool, so who might have owned a high class, heavy duty punch needle, a tool for making folk-art rugs? In respect of beetle nut cutters, in Indonesia these are known as "kacip" and are a part of the paraphernalia used in the relevant ceremony. Even very ordinary people owned quite elaborate beetle sets. In recent years, say the last 20 years or so, they have attained high status as collectables in Indonesia and their value is now more or less the same as keris of similar quality.