Kris Moro for coments

Gustav · 2nd November 2016, 06:44 PM

I am not so sure for it being a 19th cent. kris and a Datu piece.

The workmanship of the blade isn't particularly good, and inlays look a way strange to me. They are to many, they look to stiff and to neat. If you look at the picture, there are some strange features - the dots are drilled ignoring outline of the fullers at the end of the triangle, but especially the right border of the inlay field starting from the middle of the triangle would be very strange for a 19th or even beginning of the 20th cent. The end of the grooves is still in the middle of the blade, the continuation of the shape with dots and inlays goes out of center to the right. Also the left line of the central inlay field starting "somewhere" from a dot is strange.

At the moment my opinion would be - a quite simple 20th cent. blade, enhanced with "Datu class" inlays at some later time.

Gustav · 2nd November 2016, 06:58 PM

Or the whole blade with inlays being later.

Battara · 2nd November 2016, 11:56 PM

Well Gustav, I must disagree with you here. Whether datu class blade or not, I have seen may blades with inlays exactly just like this. If a person becomes a datu by his people, I can see the blade changing to match by the addition of inlays later.

Gustav · 3rd November 2016, 12:26 AM

Jose, I would like to see a blade older the 1920ties where the central inlay field starts like this.

For comparison two blades with common position of central field.

Rick · 3rd November 2016, 01:51 AM

There seems to be a bit too much erosion around the gangya area/s compared to the rest of the blade; the Greneng features(Jawa) seem too indistinct; the same with the file work below the kembang kacang/Elephant trunk.
With that amount of erosion there I would expect the blade to show more pitting.

mariusgmioc · 3rd November 2016, 10:32 AM

Whether late 19 century or early 20 century, this Kris is certainly a genuine antique item. All the pieces of the Kris show signs of wear and age corresponding to a prolonged use and exitence, and they are consistent throughout the whole piece. Even the scabbard shows significant wear and age.

What is "Datu" class?!

Sajen · 3rd November 2016, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Whether late 19 century or early 20 century, this Kris is certainly a genuine antique item. All the pieces of the Kris show signs of wear and age corresponding to a prolonged use and exitence, and they are consistent throughout the whole piece. Even the scabbard shows significant wear and age.

What is "Datu" class?!

Hello Marius,

regarding the age, can you provide dimensions? I have no doubt that this is an old/antique piece and I think the most others also.

For "datu" look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datu

Regards,
Detlef

2nd November 2016, 06:44 PM	#1
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	I am not so sure for it being a 19th cent. kris and a Datu piece. The workmanship of the blade isn't particularly good, and inlays look a way strange to me. They are to many, they look to stiff and to neat. If you look at the picture, there are some strange features - the dots are drilled ignoring outline of the fullers at the end of the triangle, but especially the right border of the inlay field starting from the middle of the triangle would be very strange for a 19th or even beginning of the 20th cent. The end of the grooves is still in the middle of the blade, the continuation of the shape with dots and inlays goes out of center to the right. Also the left line of the central inlay field starting "somewhere" from a dot is strange. At the moment my opinion would be - a quite simple 20th cent. blade, enhanced with "Datu class" inlays at some later time. Attached Images Last edited by Gustav; 2nd November 2016 at 07:15 PM.

3rd November 2016, 12:26 AM	#4
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	Jose, I would like to see a blade older the 1920ties where the central inlay field starts like this. For comparison two blades with common position of central field. Attached Images

2nd November 2016, 06:58 PM	#2
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	Or the whole blade with inlays being later.

2nd November 2016, 11:56 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Well Gustav, I must disagree with you here. Whether datu class blade or not, I have seen may blades with inlays exactly just like this. If a person becomes a datu by his people, I can see the blade changing to match by the addition of inlays later.

3rd November 2016, 01:51 AM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	There seems to be a bit too much erosion around the gangya area/s compared to the rest of the blade; the Greneng features(Jawa) seem too indistinct; the same with the file work below the kembang kacang/Elephant trunk. With that amount of erosion there I would expect the blade to show more pitting.

3rd November 2016, 10:32 AM	#6
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,906	Whether late 19 century or early 20 century, this Kris is certainly a genuine antique item. All the pieces of the Kris show signs of wear and age corresponding to a prolonged use and exitence, and they are consistent throughout the whole piece. Even the scabbard shows significant wear and age. What is "Datu" class?!