Kris Moro for coments

VANDOO · 31st October 2016, 05:51 AM

CONGRATULATIONS ON AN EXCELLENT FIRST KRIS IT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO TOP THIS ONE. I ASSUME YOU BOUGHT A ROLLS ROYCE OR FERRARI FOR YOUR FIRST CAR BASED ON THIS .

mariusgmioc · 31st October 2016, 02:30 PM

Hello, and thank you for your comments!

Overall both the Kris and the scabbard show clear and consistent signs of age and wear making me think they are both contemporaries.

The bands on the scabbard appear to be a silver-brass alloy as they are white with a yellowish shade.

Regarding the inlays in the blade, they appear to be brass or a low carat gold alloy.

The fit between the blade and scabbard is tight enough to make me thingk the scabbard is either the original one or a very early replacement.

The overall unsheathed length of the kris is 68 cm, and it gives a very strong and sturdy feel.

Sajen · 31st October 2016, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

The fit between the blade and scabbard is tight enough to make me thingk the scabbard is either the original one or a very early replacement.

Hello Marius,

can you show a picture when the blade is inside the scabbard from sideward up? Again, great catch!

Best regards,
Detlef

Battara · 31st October 2016, 06:17 PM

I agree with you on the scabbard, but it would be good to test the bands, preferably by a jeweler.

The inlays on the blade are silver based on the patina I see.

Again a great piece and thanks for posting.

Sajen has a good idea - if you can take photos of the fit in the scabbard.

mross · 1st November 2016, 08:30 PM

Nice.

Gustav · 2nd November 2016, 06:44 PM

I am not so sure for it being a 19th cent. kris and a Datu piece.

The workmanship of the blade isn't particularly good, and inlays look a way strange to me. They are to many, they look to stiff and to neat. If you look at the picture, there are some strange features - the dots are drilled ignoring outline of the fullers at the end of the triangle, but especially the right border of the inlay field starting from the middle of the triangle would be very strange for a 19th or even beginning of the 20th cent. The end of the grooves is still in the middle of the blade, the continuation of the shape with dots and inlays goes out of center to the right. Also the left line of the central inlay field starting "somewhere" from a dot is strange.

At the moment my opinion would be - a quite simple 20th cent. blade, enhanced with "Datu class" inlays at some later time.

Gustav · 2nd November 2016, 06:58 PM

Or the whole blade with inlays being later.

Battara · 2nd November 2016, 11:56 PM

Well Gustav, I must disagree with you here. Whether datu class blade or not, I have seen may blades with inlays exactly just like this. If a person becomes a datu by his people, I can see the blade changing to match by the addition of inlays later.

Gustav · 3rd November 2016, 12:26 AM

Jose, I would like to see a blade older the 1920ties where the central inlay field starts like this.

For comparison two blades with common position of central field.

2nd November 2016, 06:44 PM	#6
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,280	I am not so sure for it being a 19th cent. kris and a Datu piece. The workmanship of the blade isn't particularly good, and inlays look a way strange to me. They are to many, they look to stiff and to neat. If you look at the picture, there are some strange features - the dots are drilled ignoring outline of the fullers at the end of the triangle, but especially the right border of the inlay field starting from the middle of the triangle would be very strange for a 19th or even beginning of the 20th cent. The end of the grooves is still in the middle of the blade, the continuation of the shape with dots and inlays goes out of center to the right. Also the left line of the central inlay field starting "somewhere" from a dot is strange. At the moment my opinion would be - a quite simple 20th cent. blade, enhanced with "Datu class" inlays at some later time. Attached Images Last edited by Gustav; 2nd November 2016 at 07:15 PM.

3rd November 2016, 12:26 AM	#9
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,280	Jose, I would like to see a blade older the 1920ties where the central inlay field starts like this. For comparison two blades with common position of central field. Attached Images

31st October 2016, 05:51 AM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	CONGRATULATIONS ON AN EXCELLENT FIRST KRIS IT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO TOP THIS ONE. I ASSUME YOU BOUGHT A ROLLS ROYCE OR FERRARI FOR YOUR FIRST CAR BASED ON THIS .

31st October 2016, 02:30 PM	#2
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,911	Hello, and thank you for your comments! Overall both the Kris and the scabbard show clear and consistent signs of age and wear making me think they are both contemporaries. The bands on the scabbard appear to be a silver-brass alloy as they are white with a yellowish shade. Regarding the inlays in the blade, they appear to be brass or a low carat gold alloy. The fit between the blade and scabbard is tight enough to make me thingk the scabbard is either the original one or a very early replacement. The overall unsheathed length of the kris is 68 cm, and it gives a very strong and sturdy feel.

31st October 2016, 06:17 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	I agree with you on the scabbard, but it would be good to test the bands, preferably by a jeweler. The inlays on the blade are silver based on the patina I see. Again a great piece and thanks for posting. Sajen has a good idea - if you can take photos of the fit in the scabbard.

1st November 2016, 08:30 PM	#5
mross Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 478	Nice.

2nd November 2016, 06:58 PM	#7
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,280	Or the whole blade with inlays being later.

2nd November 2016, 11:56 PM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	Well Gustav, I must disagree with you here. Whether datu class blade or not, I have seen may blades with inlays exactly just like this. If a person becomes a datu by his people, I can see the blade changing to match by the addition of inlays later.