request for translation

Kurt · 29th October 2016, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

Kurt,
Please, do not get offended. We are talking only about 2 days delay.
It is a very nice kilij, Battara is correct, and I join him.
I seem to get a hint of wootz; am I correct?
BTW, the date is 1236.

Ariel
You're right I made a mistake.
The correct date is 1236 =1821
Blade is wootz. Must be etched.
Kurt

digenis · 31st October 2016, 06:09 PM

Kurt,

Don't leave us! This place probably has a high percentage of the people world-wide that have an interest in ethnographic arms collecting! It is a small but high quality group and every member is valued.

The Ottoman kilij looks great. I wonder if some of the experts on the forum can comment on the almost pristine gold work. Almost too perfect. Any thoughts?

Battara · 31st October 2016, 06:25 PM

Kurt I must say that it is a little unusual to have gold koftgari in such pristine condition - and still thick!!

For me (being a bling queen

) this is one of the great features of your piece.

I think that the word "Allah" might be in the Seal of Solomon "star". I was waiting for translations, but sometimes that takes a few days depending upon who gets to see this. Please be patient. I also think I see a Qur'anic verse in one of the inscriptions as well.

I like the wootz, but I think you are right - a little more etching might help. However, if it is Turkish wootz, it might not pop out like Persian wootz does.

At the same time, I also noticed that your rhino horn grip seems complete as well.

If you ever want to throw this away in the trash, please let me know......

Kurt · 31st October 2016, 06:40 PM

Battara have a look at the other side of the blade.
The handle is not rhino, is of Ordinary Horn.
Kurt

Oliver Pinchot · 31st October 2016, 08:30 PM

Other than the date, what is visible is all religious, including "God's Blessing" and "Hero Ali."

CharlesS · 31st October 2016, 10:49 PM

Kurt, this is, indeed, one of the most lovely kilijs/palas I have seen in some time. I am a real fan of this sword style and type, though some would consider them "late"...if the 19th century can be called that!

You may want to look into the possibility that your horn grip is giraffe. The Ottomans did use this...even rarer than the other...and yours has the correct color to be just that.

Again...magificent!

Battara · 1st November 2016, 02:12 AM

Giraffe? Didn't think of that.......

31st October 2016, 06:40 PM	#4
Kurt Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 197	Other side the Pala blade. Battara have a look at the other side of the blade. The handle is not rhino, is of Ordinary Horn. Kurt Attached Images

31st October 2016, 06:09 PM	#2
digenis Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 48	Kurt, Don't leave us! This place probably has a high percentage of the people world-wide that have an interest in ethnographic arms collecting! It is a small but high quality group and every member is valued. The Ottoman kilij looks great. I wonder if some of the experts on the forum can comment on the almost pristine gold work. Almost too perfect. Any thoughts?

31st October 2016, 06:25 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	Kurt I must say that it is a little unusual to have gold koftgari in such pristine condition - and still thick!! For me (being a bling queen ) this is one of the great features of your piece. I think that the word "Allah" might be in the Seal of Solomon "star". I was waiting for translations, but sometimes that takes a few days depending upon who gets to see this. Please be patient. I also think I see a Qur'anic verse in one of the inscriptions as well. I like the wootz, but I think you are right - a little more etching might help. However, if it is Turkish wootz, it might not pop out like Persian wootz does. At the same time, I also noticed that your rhino horn grip seems complete as well. If you ever want to throw this away in the trash, please let me know......

31st October 2016, 08:30 PM	#5
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 468	Other than the date, what is visible is all religious, including "God's Blessing" and "Hero Ali."

31st October 2016, 10:49 PM	#6
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Kurt, this is, indeed, one of the most lovely kilijs/palas I have seen in some time. I am a real fan of this sword style and type, though some would consider them "late"...if the 19th century can be called that! You may want to look into the possibility that your horn grip is giraffe. The Ottomans did use this...even rarer than the other...and yours has the correct color to be just that. Again...magificent!

1st November 2016, 02:12 AM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	Giraffe? Didn't think of that.......