Balebang keris ?

[David]

Originally Posted by Jean

The dapur includes an ada-ada, kembang kacang, jalen, lambe gajah, pejetan, twin sogokan, tikel alis, sraweyan, and greneng so it looks to be Panimbal with one minor exception (single lambe gajah instead of twin).
The blade has an elegant shape and is well carved, it has some Mataram features but I am unable to tell if it is an old piece or not
Regards

Well, i'd say it has some age Jean, but i seriously doubt it actually dates back to the Mataram era.
I agree that it seems a well formed blade and for me personally i am less interested in the specific "proper" dhapur name since it is generally only a platform for debate about shifting names of such things.
If this were offered to me for the right price i might well purchase it. someone should to save it from that creeping rust before it is too late.
If it were mine i might swap out that mendak. I could be wrong, but it doesn't look correct for that Surakarta hilt.

[Jean]

Originally Posted by David

Well, i'd say it has some age Jean, but i seriously doubt it actually dates back to the Mataram era.
I agree that it seems a well formed blade and for me personally i am less interested in the specific "proper" dhapur name since it is generally only a platform for debate about shifting names of such things.

Hello David,
By "some Mataram features" I only meant the square pejetan and sharp sirah cecak but of course I agree that the blade does not date from an old Mataram period.
Personally I believe that trying to identify the type of dapur of an old Javanese blade (not the case with this one) is important as each dapur has its own significance for the owner as the pamor pattern. A dapur conforming to the Central Java pakem shows that the pande followed the tradition so it constitutes a quality indicator for the blade IMO.
Regards

[David]

Originally Posted by Jean

Hello David,
By "some Mataram features" I only meant the square pejetan and sharp sirah cecak but of course I agree that the blade does not date from an old Mataram period.
Personally I believe that trying to identify the type of dapur of an old Javanese blade (not the case with this one) is important as each dapur has its own significance for the owner as the pamor pattern. A dapur conforming to the Central Java pakem shows that the pande followed the tradition so it constitutes a quality indicator for the blade IMO.
Regards

Jean, i believe you have taken my post as argument when my intention was to agree with you. Note the winking emoticon.
I also was not dismissing the importance of dhapur, only noting that there is often much argument over the proper names for different dhapurs. If one is dealing with keraton level blades and has the pakem for said keraton as a guide this can indeed be very helpful information.