Uzbek Central Asian Powder flaSKS

Kubur · 18th September 2016, 08:40 PM

Hi,
I come back to my question.
Up to now only ibrahim tried to respond.
Sold recently as an Arabian powder flask, but obviously it's Turkmen.

Guys do you think that is a powder flask or Afghan TurkmenTobacco-Snuff Box also known as a Nas Kedi (Naskady)?

I'm pretty sure of the orgin but not of the function. But the Tobacco-Snuff Box seems well documented compared to the powder flask...
Someome has the answer???
Kubur

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 18th September 2016, 11:26 PM

This type is made from gourds...See examples at https://www.google.com/search?q=gour...w=1047&bih=510

Battara · 18th September 2016, 11:41 PM

What gorgeous flasks!!!!

Now I may want one (or two, three, etc).

Great.......now more things to spend my money on.........

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 19th September 2016, 03:14 AM

I have to say that after hours looking for exhibits I have turned up almost nought which is perhaps to be expected the way history has dealt its hand to Uzbekistan down the ages not least in the Soviet era. I am not sure if there is an Uzbek style of powder flask but that styles from surrounding areas including Persia and India formed the backbone of adopted flasks. I only found one other picture of vague interest of an Uzbek warrior probably pre gunpowder...and place that as an example of the paucity of such work... personally I suspect that anything that looked like a powder flask on the silk road with the appearance of gunpowder weapons would have been used by the Uzbek shooters.

Oliver Pinchot · 19th September 2016, 04:40 PM

Those gourds are for powdered tobacco.
Flasks used in the Central Asian Khanates tended to be either Persian work or locally made in Persian style; steel, wood, horn, hide are the commonest materials. There is a distinctive group which are of generally Persian form, but of brass with silver appliques. They are not common.

Kubur · 19th September 2016, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver Pinchot

Those gourds are for powdered tobacco.
Flasks used in the Central Asian Khanates tended to be either Persian work or locally made in Persian style; steel, wood, horn, hide are the commonest materials. There is a distinctive group which are of generally Persian form, but of brass with silver appliques. They are not common.

Thank you very much Oliver, you answered both questions. The shape is very Caucasian too and the metal and decorations are very Persian. Very interesting thank you!

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 19th September 2016, 09:25 PM

Is this a reasonable example?

18th September 2016, 08:40 PM	#1
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi, I come back to my question. Up to now only ibrahim tried to respond. Sold recently as an Arabian powder flask, but obviously it's Turkmen. Guys do you think that is a powder flask or Afghan TurkmenTobacco-Snuff Box also known as a Nas Kedi (Naskady)? I'm pretty sure of the orgin but not of the function. But the Tobacco-Snuff Box seems well documented compared to the powder flask... Someome has the answer??? Kubur Attached Images

18th September 2016, 11:26 PM	#2
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	This type is made from gourds...See examples at https://www.google.com/search?q=gour...w=1047&bih=510 Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 18th September 2016 at 11:37 PM.

19th September 2016, 03:14 AM	#4
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	I have to say that after hours looking for exhibits I have turned up almost nought which is perhaps to be expected the way history has dealt its hand to Uzbekistan down the ages not least in the Soviet era. I am not sure if there is an Uzbek style of powder flask but that styles from surrounding areas including Persia and India formed the backbone of adopted flasks. I only found one other picture of vague interest of an Uzbek warrior probably pre gunpowder...and place that as an example of the paucity of such work... personally I suspect that anything that looked like a powder flask on the silk road with the appearance of gunpowder weapons would have been used by the Uzbek shooters. Attached Images

19th September 2016, 04:40 PM	#5
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 464	Those gourds are for powdered tobacco. Flasks used in the Central Asian Khanates tended to be either Persian work or locally made in Persian style; steel, wood, horn, hide are the commonest materials. There is a distinctive group which are of generally Persian form, but of brass with silver appliques. They are not common. Attached Images

19th September 2016, 09:25 PM	#7
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Is this a reasonable example? Attached Images

18th September 2016, 11:41 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	What gorgeous flasks!!!! Now I may want one (or two, three, etc). Great.......now more things to spend my money on.........