MOST DESIRED WAR CLUBS MID AND SOUTH AMERICA

VANDOO · 12th September 2016, 08:21 PM

#1. GOOD OLD EXAMPLE OF SHIPIBO CLUB FULL SIZE HEAVY HARD WOOD.
#2. OLD EXAMPLE 141 X 11 X 3 CM. CIRCA 1930, UCAYALI RIVER PERU, CALLED HUINO CLUB. SHIPIBO /KOMBO TRIBE. ALSO SPELLED CONIBO
#3. SHIPIBO SOME OF THE MANY PATTERNS USED.
#4.SHIPIBO GODS EYE, THE SHARP SPEAR LIKE POINT IS STUCK IN THE GROUND OUTSIDE A HUT WHERE A NEWBORN BABY OR SICK PERSON IS TO KEEP OUT EVIL SPIRITS AND TO WARN PEOPLE NOT TO ENTER.
#5. TWO GODS EYE AND TWO BOWS WITH ARROWS CIRCA MID TO LATE
1960'S
#6. CLOSEUP OF TWO BOWS.
#7. & #8. SHIPIBOW SPEAR
#9. SHIPIBOW CANOE PADDLE
#10. SHIPIBOW POT MAKING WITH CLAY STIRRER IN CLAY
#11. SHIPIBOW DRAWING

VANDOO · 14th September 2016, 08:21 PM

HERE ARE THREE MORE PICTURES OF THE SHIPIBO TRIBE. PICTURE A CEREMONY WITH SHAMAN AND CLUBS AND TWO PICTURES OF DIFFERENT TRIBAL PATTERNS. ##1. SHAMAN'S CEREMONY #2. & #3. SHIPIBO DESIGNS

I MISSED A FEW PICTURES OF MEXICO SO WILL ADD THEM HERE.
#4. DRAWING OF AZTEC WARRIOR AND WEAPONS
#5. MODERN MACUAHUITL WITH ORANGE GLASS BLADES
#6., #7. & #8. INTERESTING DRAWINGS FROM OLD MEXICAN POST CARDS
#9.REPLICA OF OLD MISSISSIPPIAN SHARK TOOTH CLUB, SIMILAR IDEA LIKE MACUAHUITL

I HAVE ONLY FOUND DRAWINGS OF THE SOUTH AMERICAN ARMOR BUT HAVE FOUND SOME ARMOR FROM THE NORTH WEST COAST OF NORTH AMERICA THAT MAY HAVE SOME SIMILARITY TO WHAT WAS USED IN MID. AND SOUTH AMERICA.
#10. TLINGIT MAN IN WOODEN ARMOR VISOR NO HELMET.
#11. TLINGIT WOODEN HELMET AND VISOR, THE VISOR PROTECTS THE NECK THE HELMET PROTECTS THE SKULL.
#12. PRINT OF N.W. COAST ITEMS INCLUDING ARMOR.

VANDOO · 14th September 2016, 09:11 PM

A FEW MORE AND A BIT OF CONJECTURE.

#1. A MODERN KILLER WHALE HELMET AND A WAR CLUB.

WARNING CONJECTURE AHEAD.

#2 & #3. TWO KACHINAS THAT SORT OF REMIND ME OF THE TWO PIECE ARMOR PICTURED ABOVE WITH THE NECK PROTECTION AND THE HELMET. I LIKE KACHINAS BUT KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT THEM SO THIS IS JUST AN OBSERVATION NO OFFENSE MEANT TO THE TRIBAL BELIEFS AND TRADITIONS.

VANDOO · 17th September 2016, 06:53 AM

#. 1. SHIPIBO CLUB AND TWO PADDLES
#2. MACUATHUITL 24 IN. MADE FROM A SWORDFISH BILL.
#3., #4., #5. & #6. MACUATHUITL 39 INCHES DETAIL
#7. MEXICO CIRCA 1500 DRAWING FROM AN OLD BOOK

VANDOO · 19th September 2016, 02:34 AM

THE SHIPIBO/CONIBO TRIBES DO HAVE SOME VARIATIONS IN THEIR CLUBS PERHAPS REGIONAL OR VARIATIONS OVER TIME.
#1. THRU #5. SAID TO BE CONIBO CLUBS CIRCA 1900'S RANGING IN SIZE FROM 140 TO 135 CM. LONG AND 14 TO 18.5 CM WIDE THERE IS SOME DIFFERENCE I THE TIP FROM THE SHIPIBO FORM AND ONE PICTURE IS OF AN UNFINISHED CLUB. THE GRIP AREA IS NOT PICTURED WELL ENOUGH TO SEE IF THERE IS ANY VARIATION THERE. ONE EXAMPLE IS AF A VERY ORNATE FORM LIKELY TO SHOW PRESTIGE IN THE TRIBE AND FOR CEREMONY.
#6. & #7. SHIPIBO, PART OF THE CHAMA CULTURE EARLY 1900'S PERU,130 X 11.5 X 3 CM. AND 152 X 15 X 3 CM.
#8. WAS IDENTIFIED AS SHETEBO TRIBE, FROM THE BAJO UCAYALI RIVER, PERU, 1900'S, 131 X 17.5 X 2.5 CM. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A DIFFERENT GROUP OR A DIFFERENT SPELLING DUE TO REGION AND TIME.

VANDOO · 19th September 2016, 02:54 AM

THE MACANA IS A SHORT HEAVY CLUB WITH SORT OF AN HOURGLASS SHAPE SOMETIMES MOUNTED WITH A STONE BLADE BUT OFTEN WITH NONE. IT IS USED BY THE CARIB , KALINA AND RELATED TRIBES IN GUIANA. THE BRITISH AND THE DUTCH BOTH COLONIZED IN GUIANA SO NO DOUBT A FEW CLUBS AND WEAPONS WENT HOME WITH THEM. NOTE THAT SOME OF THE MACANA CLUBS ARE NOT SQUARE ON THE STRIKING END BUT MORE OF A FLAT BLADE FORM. i DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A TERM DIFFERENTIATING THESE TWO FORMS. THERE ARE OTHER CLUBS PICTURED ON THE BOOK PLATES WITH THE MACANA CLUBS THAT I WILL COVER LATER.
#1. A OLD PLATE SHOWING KALINA AND CARIB WEAPONS
#2. A SELECTION OF GUIANA CLUBS
#3. WARRIORS WITH MACANA IN GUIANA
#4. DRAWING OF WARRIOR WITH WEAPONS AND A MACANA
#5. SEVERAL MACANA CLUBS TWO INSET WITH STONE BLADES OFTEN
REFERRED TO AS CELTS.
#6 MACANA BRITISH GUIANA 19TH. CENTURY ARAWAK TRIBE 44X12 X7.5 CM.
#7. MACANA
# 8. GUIANA OR BRAZIL MACANA CLUB
#9. 1800'S MACANA, GUYANA BRAZIL BORDER 18 INCHES OR 45.8 CM. LONG
#10. MACANA
#11. MACANA GUIANA, COLLECTED 1940'S, CARIB TRIBE
#12. MACANA DUTCH GUIANA COLLECTED 1928, CARIB TRIBE, 37 X 7.5 X 7 CM. COTTON CORD DECORATED WITH JAGUAR MOLARS.

VANDOO · 19th September 2016, 03:31 AM

MACANA CLUBS #1., #2. & #3. MACANA 11 X 2.5 INCHES
#4. MACANA WITH STONE BLADE
#5. MACANA WITH HUMAN FIGURES PERHAPS OF THE FLAT FORM.
# 6. MACANA CLUB, IT MAY HAVE A METAL BLADE

12th September 2016, 08:21 PM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	#1. GOOD OLD EXAMPLE OF SHIPIBO CLUB FULL SIZE HEAVY HARD WOOD. #2. OLD EXAMPLE 141 X 11 X 3 CM. CIRCA 1930, UCAYALI RIVER PERU, CALLED HUINO CLUB. SHIPIBO /KOMBO TRIBE. ALSO SPELLED CONIBO #3. SHIPIBO SOME OF THE MANY PATTERNS USED. #4.SHIPIBO GODS EYE, THE SHARP SPEAR LIKE POINT IS STUCK IN THE GROUND OUTSIDE A HUT WHERE A NEWBORN BABY OR SICK PERSON IS TO KEEP OUT EVIL SPIRITS AND TO WARN PEOPLE NOT TO ENTER. #5. TWO GODS EYE AND TWO BOWS WITH ARROWS CIRCA MID TO LATE 1960'S #6. CLOSEUP OF TWO BOWS. #7. & #8. SHIPIBOW SPEAR #9. SHIPIBOW CANOE PADDLE #10. SHIPIBOW POT MAKING WITH CLAY STIRRER IN CLAY #11. SHIPIBOW DRAWING Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 12th September 2016 at 08:35 PM.

14th September 2016, 08:21 PM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	HERE ARE THREE MORE PICTURES OF THE SHIPIBO TRIBE. PICTURE A CEREMONY WITH SHAMAN AND CLUBS AND TWO PICTURES OF DIFFERENT TRIBAL PATTERNS. ##1. SHAMAN'S CEREMONY #2. & #3. SHIPIBO DESIGNS I MISSED A FEW PICTURES OF MEXICO SO WILL ADD THEM HERE. #4. DRAWING OF AZTEC WARRIOR AND WEAPONS #5. MODERN MACUAHUITL WITH ORANGE GLASS BLADES #6., #7. & #8. INTERESTING DRAWINGS FROM OLD MEXICAN POST CARDS #9.REPLICA OF OLD MISSISSIPPIAN SHARK TOOTH CLUB, SIMILAR IDEA LIKE MACUAHUITL I HAVE ONLY FOUND DRAWINGS OF THE SOUTH AMERICAN ARMOR BUT HAVE FOUND SOME ARMOR FROM THE NORTH WEST COAST OF NORTH AMERICA THAT MAY HAVE SOME SIMILARITY TO WHAT WAS USED IN MID. AND SOUTH AMERICA. #10. TLINGIT MAN IN WOODEN ARMOR VISOR NO HELMET. #11. TLINGIT WOODEN HELMET AND VISOR, THE VISOR PROTECTS THE NECK THE HELMET PROTECTS THE SKULL. #12. PRINT OF N.W. COAST ITEMS INCLUDING ARMOR. Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 14th September 2016 at 08:48 PM.

14th September 2016, 09:11 PM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A FEW MORE AND A BIT OF CONJECTURE. #1. A MODERN KILLER WHALE HELMET AND A WAR CLUB. WARNING CONJECTURE AHEAD. #2 & #3. TWO KACHINAS THAT SORT OF REMIND ME OF THE TWO PIECE ARMOR PICTURED ABOVE WITH THE NECK PROTECTION AND THE HELMET. I LIKE KACHINAS BUT KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT THEM SO THIS IS JUST AN OBSERVATION NO OFFENSE MEANT TO THE TRIBAL BELIEFS AND TRADITIONS. Attached Images

17th September 2016, 06:53 AM	#4
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	#. 1. SHIPIBO CLUB AND TWO PADDLES #2. MACUATHUITL 24 IN. MADE FROM A SWORDFISH BILL. #3., #4., #5. & #6. MACUATHUITL 39 INCHES DETAIL #7. MEXICO CIRCA 1500 DRAWING FROM AN OLD BOOK Attached Images

19th September 2016, 02:34 AM	#5
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE SHIPIBO/CONIBO TRIBES DO HAVE SOME VARIATIONS IN THEIR CLUBS PERHAPS REGIONAL OR VARIATIONS OVER TIME. #1. THRU #5. SAID TO BE CONIBO CLUBS CIRCA 1900'S RANGING IN SIZE FROM 140 TO 135 CM. LONG AND 14 TO 18.5 CM WIDE THERE IS SOME DIFFERENCE I THE TIP FROM THE SHIPIBO FORM AND ONE PICTURE IS OF AN UNFINISHED CLUB. THE GRIP AREA IS NOT PICTURED WELL ENOUGH TO SEE IF THERE IS ANY VARIATION THERE. ONE EXAMPLE IS AF A VERY ORNATE FORM LIKELY TO SHOW PRESTIGE IN THE TRIBE AND FOR CEREMONY. #6. & #7. SHIPIBO, PART OF THE CHAMA CULTURE EARLY 1900'S PERU,130 X 11.5 X 3 CM. AND 152 X 15 X 3 CM. #8. WAS IDENTIFIED AS SHETEBO TRIBE, FROM THE BAJO UCAYALI RIVER, PERU, 1900'S, 131 X 17.5 X 2.5 CM. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A DIFFERENT GROUP OR A DIFFERENT SPELLING DUE TO REGION AND TIME. Attached Images

19th September 2016, 02:54 AM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE MACANA IS A SHORT HEAVY CLUB WITH SORT OF AN HOURGLASS SHAPE SOMETIMES MOUNTED WITH A STONE BLADE BUT OFTEN WITH NONE. IT IS USED BY THE CARIB , KALINA AND RELATED TRIBES IN GUIANA. THE BRITISH AND THE DUTCH BOTH COLONIZED IN GUIANA SO NO DOUBT A FEW CLUBS AND WEAPONS WENT HOME WITH THEM. NOTE THAT SOME OF THE MACANA CLUBS ARE NOT SQUARE ON THE STRIKING END BUT MORE OF A FLAT BLADE FORM. i DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A TERM DIFFERENTIATING THESE TWO FORMS. THERE ARE OTHER CLUBS PICTURED ON THE BOOK PLATES WITH THE MACANA CLUBS THAT I WILL COVER LATER. #1. A OLD PLATE SHOWING KALINA AND CARIB WEAPONS #2. A SELECTION OF GUIANA CLUBS #3. WARRIORS WITH MACANA IN GUIANA #4. DRAWING OF WARRIOR WITH WEAPONS AND A MACANA #5. SEVERAL MACANA CLUBS TWO INSET WITH STONE BLADES OFTEN REFERRED TO AS CELTS. #6 MACANA BRITISH GUIANA 19TH. CENTURY ARAWAK TRIBE 44X12 X7.5 CM. #7. MACANA # 8. GUIANA OR BRAZIL MACANA CLUB #9. 1800'S MACANA, GUYANA BRAZIL BORDER 18 INCHES OR 45.8 CM. LONG #10. MACANA #11. MACANA GUIANA, COLLECTED 1940'S, CARIB TRIBE #12. MACANA DUTCH GUIANA COLLECTED 1928, CARIB TRIBE, 37 X 7.5 X 7 CM. COTTON CORD DECORATED WITH JAGUAR MOLARS. Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 19th September 2016 at 03:34 AM.

19th September 2016, 03:31 AM	#7
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	MACANA CLUBS #1., #2. & #3. MACANA 11 X 2.5 INCHES #4. MACANA WITH STONE BLADE #5. MACANA WITH HUMAN FIGURES PERHAPS OF THE FLAT FORM. # 6. MACANA CLUB, IT MAY HAVE A METAL BLADE Attached Images